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Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by KMJvet, Mar 8, 2014.

  1. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m happy for the Galaxy fans, but is it only Klein, or are others in the office going to follow Klein out the door?
     
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  2. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes I would.

    Bernardeschi, a change of scenery to LA might inspire him. But I wouldn't be surprised if Vanney attempted to dip into the TFC pool and get Osorio. I also wouldn't be shocked if they traded Jovelic for some goods. Worries me now is Kuntz and Vanney are building a team and both know wtf they're doing. We will see what happens now.
     
  3. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
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    B.J. Callaghan takes over as USMNT coach for Nations League and Gold Cup

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  4. Scott Rohde

    Scott Rohde Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 28, 2018
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  5. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
  6. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  7. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The person that created the list?
     
  8. Scott Rohde

    Scott Rohde Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 28, 2018
    I was surprised but look at Leicester and Everton who are fighting relegation and lost a lot of valuation. If they do get relegated and they don't immediately bounce back it could be a long time before they ever appear on a list like this again.

    At the same time you have Galaxy who couldn't be any worse and yet they are keeping their value regardless. Of course they will need to course correct or they will continue to lose out to their neighbor but they have a buffer that other leagues don't.

    MLS is basically structured like the Super League that the mega rich owners want so badly. It's not the Super League though, because the Super League was supposed to be the worlds best soccer and MLS clearly isn't and won't be for a long time if ever.
     
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  9. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    At some point the US U20 team is going to run into some tough competition if they make it out of the next round, and Uruguay or Gambia in the next round may already be pretty good. But Colombia beat Slovakia 5-1 today and it looked like boys against men. When the US played them it looked like boys against better boys. And I don't know how good Tunisia is, but Brazil beat them 4-1, and got 2 goals in the 2nd half despite being down a man since the 45th minute.
     
  10. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #14735 falvo, May 31, 2023
    Last edited: May 31, 2023
    So much for the pros and cons having to do with promotion and relegation.

    Abroad, you can have some exciting games at the end of a season for teams not wanting to get relegated but you can also have teams implode and go belly up if they drop down a tier.

    Luckily, (depending on your point of view) teams in MLS won’t face this dilemma as teams will never face relegation , can even go worst to first and appreciate in value from one season to the next.

    In terms of marketing and team valuations anyway, I think MLS has gotten it right whereas their relegated counterparts overseas most likely will fade into oblivion in a matter of months.
     
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  11. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, but, for every team relegated another is promoted, and the value of those teams will increase.
     
  12. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Not always.

    Many of those same teams end up spending a lot of money to compete in a top tier , maybe stay up a year or two and then go right back down , sometimes even losing more that before.

    That happens quite often with newly promoted clubs.
     
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  13. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    MLS’ single entity model works quite well for fat, complacent owners who can care little for results on the field without having to worry about imperiling the value of their asset.

    What it does for fans of those teams is condemn them to year after year of utter suckitude mitigated by very occasional mediocrity.

    if MLS went to a pro/rel model Fisher would sell so fast your head would spin, but don’t worry because it will never happen, and USSF is too incompetent and/or corrupt to force the issue.
     
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  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #14739 xbhaskarx, May 31, 2023
    Last edited: May 31, 2023
    Pro/rel is an idiotic system and if it didn't already exist, no one would think to implement it. Kind of like the electoral college.

    Compare how much money the NFL makes in a sport that's watched in like 1.5 countries to the Premier League, which has broadcast deals in literally every country in the world.

    MLS, which was giving away teams for $10 million in 2007, having the second highest number of teams with 7 among the top 30 most valuable after the Premier League, ahead of a hundred plus clubs with a hundred years of history and culture and fanbases. How bad is it? Not only are 8/20 Premier League, 17/20 Spain, 16/18 Germany, 16/20 Italy, 18/20 France teams from the first division not on the list, there are no clubs from outside the big five leagues aside from the seven from MLS. Even massive clubs like Ajax PSV Porto and Benfica aren't on that list!
     
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  15. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    3 Things

    Chicago is the worst best team in all of Major League Soccer.

    Chris Brady got f*cked up real bad

    Zach Thornton is HUGE
     
  16. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another 3 things

    TFC should have 4 goals right now

    Jon Conway seems to be giving more instruction then Bob Bradley

    Bob Bradley looks like an exo skeleton
     
  17. Scott Rohde

    Scott Rohde Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 28, 2018
    #14742 Scott Rohde, May 31, 2023
    Last edited: May 31, 2023
    So your only criteria to judge a league is the monetary value of the clubs?

    What about:
    • quality of soccer
    • most amount of fans who enjoy watching it
    • consistently producing clubs that compete at the international level
    • developing and attracting the very best players from around the world
    • attracting the best coaches from around the world
    • the list could go on...
    It's far from certain that MLS will overtake the leagues that have pro/rel in all of these criteria.

    I think a group of billionaire owners would never design a league with pro/rel but I'm not so sure a group of fans would design a league without pro/rel.

    When the billionaires plans for Super League leaked out the fans universally rejected it. There was no significant group of fans that were in favor of Super League.
     
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  18. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS = Mediocre League de Super
     
  19. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Of course a team in a league where there is zero possibility of going down and losing all the sponsorship/tv money is going to have a higher book value than a team that, if not nurtured, is at constant risk…

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  20. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #14745 xbhaskarx, May 31, 2023
    Last edited: May 31, 2023
    If a league has a bunch of clubs closing in on billion dollar valuations, with an exponential growth trajectory, and other leagues have clubs worth far less than that, on a much lower growth trajectory that they've been on for over a century, all the rest will follow, it's only a matter of time...
    • quality of soccer
    MLS is producing players that are good enough for the U-20s to regularly make the quarterfinals

    • most amount of fans who enjoy watching it
    MLS is pretty high up there in average attendance already, the expansion teams all seem to have great attendance so I'm guessing it's only been going up.
    • consistently producing clubs that compete at the international level
    A MLS club literally just won CCL for the first time last year, Seattle, and LAFC is in the CCL final tonight.
     
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  21. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On TV, it looks pretty neat when the ATX stadium is bathed in green after a goal. How do they do that? Could we possibly do something like that in PPP, with blue light? Just wondering
     
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  22. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly, which is why almost all the top sports leagues in the world don't have pro/rel!
    Four of the five biggest sports leagues in the world by annual revenue DO NOT have pro/rel, and would never even consider such an insane idea. NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL. The Premier League is the outlier in the top five!
     
  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would be sweet... must be LEDs?
     
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  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fans of Bundesliga teams with no shot at being relevant: "at least we have pro/rel I like my sports league to be entertaining"

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  25. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    20 years - the same amount of time since San Jose was relevant…
     

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