Breakout Youth Player in MLS/USL 2023 edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Dec 17, 2022.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's most coaches..... Rotating for the sake of rotating makes zero sense. The goal of professional sports teams is to win games/trophies NOT feed players to a national team.

    When it comes to young players, if they're good enough they'll get time. They'll force themselves into the lineup.
     
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  2. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I never said it was. I simply said we're not going to see Craig. And we won't.

    I mean, we've had this argument forever, but Curtin rotates and uses subs far less than many other coaches even though he has a pretty deep team. LAFC rotates their midfield near constantly, in contrast.

    Curtin mentioned last year how their analytics department basically told him to almost never rotate more than a player or two or teams lose and he followed suit.

    And he refuses to even sub in players for development up 4-0 with 20 minutes left in a match against an inferior opponent.

    I do think that's bad strategy in the long term. It doesn't prepare your team for a crucial injury or the long term.

    But fine, you want to go for the Shield, okay. But why not play him in the Open Cup? Or give him time in Leagues Cup? Is the Union really going for a quintuple?
     
  3. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd like to see that but Nico is not very youth friendly.

    I actually remember Ream being said to be very fast when younger. You never here it now but I think over distance he was one of the faster national team players.
     
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  4. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I have no idea what FCD is going to do with Justin Che.
    Cuz they certainly acquired depth at his positions with the idea that he wasn't coming back.

    One can at least see some place on the depth chart for Sealy. Particularly if Ferreira is gone with the national team.
     
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's not rotating for the sake of rotating and there's Craig being one of the best players for us at the U-20 World Cup while having zero MLS minutes while over 70 other US U-21 guys do have MLS minutes, some over a thousand.
     
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  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So he's performing against players his own age or younger.....awesome. He competes everyday in training for minutes against the reigning MLS Defender of the Year, a Jamaican International, and another Centerback who has been one of the best in MLS for years (who Trusty and McKenzie beat out for playing time).
     
  7. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No worries as it is this Che Justin player who is impressing.
     
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  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  9. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chris Brady yikes hope he’s okay





     
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  10. Sup Bro

    Sup Bro Member+

    Oct 26, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I just heard Twellman drop news that Buck will be called up by the England u-18’s soon. That sucks, but plenty of time to keep him in the US fold.
     
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  11. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Twellman just said he expects Buck to be on the radar of the English national youth setup. He generally says stuff like that when he has legit info. I said it before (maybe in this thread) that he needs to be on the gold cup squad this summer.
     
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  12. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    He wasn’t nearly that direct. It’s easy to infer something like that, but passing it off as fact is extremely misleading.
     
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  13. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  14. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is kind of the thing I am getting at when I question the collective lack of of belief in Craig. You say he is nowhere near as good as Zimmerman, but of course Zimmerman is 30. Was Zimmerman as good as Craig at 19? I did not rate him as highly. But maybe you did. I am just saying that I would like to see Craig after he gets week in and week out experience to work on his flaws before I count him out. His ball skills are clearly levels beyond anything that Zimmerman will ever see. And a 19 year old may not be topped out athletically. He will never be Virgil van Dyke, but he does not need to be.
     
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  15. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    It might be legit info.

    It might be Taylor hyping a youth Revs player to put pressure on US Soccer.

    If it is legit, it's probably a friendly camp. Far more worried about Wales. If Buck is ever considered for the English senior team ... we'll be extremely lucky because he will be a helluva player. Remember, Balogun and Musah defected to the US in part because of the struggles to get into that team. So he'd have to be in their orbit.
     
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  17. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    I generally agree with you, but I don’t want to take any risks. I’ve heard Tottenham mentioned as a team that’s interested in him. What if he goes right into their first team and plays well? He could be on the radar for an England call up just as soon as he could be for the usmnt if he’s not called in this summer.

    and I’m not saying I expect that to happen. I’m not high enough on Buck or especially my own scouting ability to confidently make a prediction like that. It’s just that playing in the EPL can get you on their senior team’s radar very quickly. Things might’ve been very different for Musah and Balogun if they’d stayed in England and made their breakthroughs there.
     
  18. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I mean, I'd like to call him in because I think he's good and going to get better.

    But Taylor's comments are being made into more than they even were, I think. The way he said it was not "I have a source" but more like he thinks they were coming calling.

    I'm certainly not going all dual national panic at this point.
     
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  19. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Sciaretta can do that for you
     
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  20. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    I agree with you again, and I don’t mean to come off as overdramatic.

    I’m just annoyed by the general lack of urgency within the program. I’ve said this several times before, but I believe that everything US Soccer does with the men’s teams, from the lowest youth level to the senior team, should be geared toward winning the major tournaments (World Cup and Copa America). Doubly so with us hosting in 2026.

    With it being 3 years away, the Copa is a very very important rehearsal for the World Cup. And this nations league and gold cup are important rehearsals for the Copa. We still have to qualify for the Copa through the next nations league cycle.

    so things like dragging out the director and manager searches to the point that the new manager misses the summer tournaments is annoying.

    and with how we played at the World Cup, it’s clear that developing depth across the board should be the top priority.

    Building depth starts with replacing the depth guys who didn’t get it done in Qatar, but it includes looking at guys who are not there yet, but very well could be in 2026. Paredes is an example of a guy who I think it’s insane to have with the u20s if that likely means he’s not at the gold cup. You can kind of put McGlynn, Cowell, and Pukstas in that boat too. We need to give them every opportunity to pass the Kellyn Acostas and Jordan Morrises.

    Buck is probably out of the question for Copa America, but I wouldn’t say that he is entirely. And even if not, he’s definitely a possibility with2026. There’s every reason to integrate him soon, and no reason to risk losing him to England. Imagine if he went to the gold cup this summer and killed it. He really could jump into the picture for the a team. And even if he doesn’t kill it, it would increase the likelihood of seeing him on the 2026 squad.

    again, I agree with you, so I’m not arguing against you. And us soccer is doing plenty right, so this isn’t a “sky is falling” post. However, to me, these things are pretty simple and straightforward, so the us Soccer folks not getting it is very annoying.
     
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  21. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Miguel Berry scored a superb goal today to put Atlanta up 3-2 (which didn't hold, as Carles Gil scored the tying goal for NE a few minutes later). Berry isn't exactly young (25), but I've seen his name pop up around these parts enough to pay attention to him.
     
  22. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Teddy KDP


    Unlikely he will ever be relevant for the national team but looks like he could carve out a decent MLS career for himself...
     
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  23. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well to be on the Gold Cup roster he’s got to be on the provisional roster which has been submitted (but isn’t public yet).
     
  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m a big Buck fan and think he should have been on the U20 team, but there’s no way he’s ready for Tottenham yet. And if he is the USMNT will he much quicker on the draw than England. I think both Musah and Balogun demonstrated we’re much more on top of things when it comes to dual national recruiting compared to England.

    But we are probably invariably going to lose some of these up and coming midfielders. Buck, McGlynn, Vargas, Tsakiris, Pukstas, and Cremaschi are all dual nationals. And there’s only so many spots to go around.
     
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  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m not particularly worried about dual national recruiting. USSF is very good at it and we recently had a massive victory in Balogun.

    It’s of course frustrating we don’t have a coach yet, but it’s also because Earnie Stewart left at a very inopportune time.
     

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