No longer a Barça lounger: Sergiño Dest at PSV (olf FC Barcelona)

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  1. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    AC woulda won with Dest! (seriously, tho, that defense was not exactly tight.)
     
  2. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is it unfair if he hasn’t earned a place on the squad? What’s fair is that the players performing well in training and games get to play. That said I do think he will play somewhere in a Top 5 league but that’s entirely different from concluding that AC Milan treated him unfairly.

    While I think that Dest has some very good qualities, he also has some major deficients. It isn’t unreasonable for the coach to leave him out.
     
  3. m vann

    m vann Moderator
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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reportedly, Barca is hot on the trail of Sociedad midfielder Martin Zubimendi and to lessen the fee, Barca is willing to include Dest in the deal. Sociedad could be tempted since the are in search of a RB. If this is the case, I would support this. Sociedad, sitting 4th, could secure Champions League football this weekend and I’m a big admirer of manager, Imanol Alguacil. Please, let this happen!
     
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  4. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Recent articles have said Barca after Wolves Neves - and are offering Dest to lower the fee (But ManU are aslo a suitor, Neves wants CL games)
     
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  5. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Italian source says the deal is close to done:

    Daniele Longo
    @86_longo

    Union Berlin expects to close the deal #Dest with #Barcellona in the coming days
    @cmdotcom
     
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  6. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Hope he goes and hope he works out. I like following/supporting Union, in theory.
     
  7. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Dest ist Berliner: Sergiño Dest at Union Berlin

    Alles paletti! Sergiño Dest at Union Berlin
     
  8. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    And some pushback from the Athletic:

    Dest has been linked with a loan move to Union Berlin, where he could join fellow USMNT teammate Jordan Pefok, but one source, who’s involved in discussions regarding Dest’s future and granted anonymity to speak freely, told The Athletic that report isn’t true.
     
  9. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    My friend Dergino Sest?
     
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  10. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Maybe he gets a run out in final match???
     
  11. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eagerly awaiting the Twitter Spaces cast where some rando calling himself a friend shits all over anyone who has managed Serg.
     
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  12. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm eagerly awaiting the vacuum commercials featuring Dest. He's not more than 4-5 club moves away from Adu land. He's averaging what, a club per year?
     
  13. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    We've already done most of the legwork - it's really just a matter of copying many posts here, mine included.
     
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  14. wynaldaisagod

    wynaldaisagod Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Aug 9, 2019
    People sure get really defensive when they even suggest Dest is not good enough for the Barca/AC Milan level. But it's just flat out true. If it wasn't, he'd be playing.

    He got a ton of first team minutes at Ajax because Mazraouai was hurt. Maz is just a flat out better player who does get injured a lot. I give Dest credit: He took the opportunity and was good there at Ajax - nothing special. He parlayed that into a Barcelona move. But using a transfer to Barca as evidence someone is this great, can't miss player isn't exactly sound reasoning.

    The reality is he has the same problems as when he broke through at Ajax: no position, next to no awareness, very little defensive ability, physically weak and attitude. You can blame situations all you want, but he hasn't done much to improve on those weaknesses in 3 years since Ajax.

    He has to be a wingback. He has to be covered and around certain players. He has great skill and talent but he has to be in the correct situation. Dest is not good enough to change the system to fit him.

    Union Berlin is probably one of the last clubs that would want him. They have a very disciplined, tactically tight system. Yes, he works in a 3-5-2 but he does not fit their attitude or style of play at all.
     
  15. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I mean, that is somewhat true, if you ignore the Koeman season(s). The reality is Dest was "good enough" for Koeman's Barca (Koeman has recently even stated he still thinks he's a Barca-level player). He had 23 league starts, over 40 apps in all comps his first year, which ain't scraps.

    Now, whether being good enough for Koeman's Barca makes him good enough for other clubs at that level is a different question, but pretending his Koeman season didn't happen is not exactly straight-shooting either. He was at worst an adequate fill in for Maz, who is currently a sometime starter on this club out of Bavaria. Dest is a player that still needs the proper set up for him to thrive. Whether he can find that at a La Liga/Serie A level (again) remains to be seen, but he for sure has some fairly glaring weaknesses that need to be fixed. I'm still perplexed he's seen more as a wingback/FB than a wide RM. But I ain't a pro coach.
     
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  16. wynaldaisagod

    wynaldaisagod Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Aug 9, 2019
    Yeah he was solid that year but that was a very low bar for Barcelona. Finished 3rd in La Liga and got destroyed in CL R16. They had lots of older guys and some like Puig, Braithwate that wouldn't have touched the field on any good Barca team.

    I don't think he can play as a wide RM because his crossing is just awful. His finishing is bad too. You don't want him making decisions in the final 1/3.

    I've always thought (and it's super specific) but a LWB would be his best position. He's best at cutting in. Becoming part of the MF. Combination play. Short passes. Keeping possession. You'd need a strong player behind him as the LCB in that back 3.
     
  17. aeschylusdanceparty

    NYRB
    United States
    Jun 3, 2021
    I mean, it is a little funny that you keep going to the well of being good enough for Koeman's Barca as evidence of his level but also that every coach views him as an RB is surprising? So, starting 20 some odd games is dispositive of his quality but every coach playing him at a position does not show that is his position? I think you are correct that much depends on his situation, but then I'd argue that shows he is not quite world class, because those types of players aren't really dependant on the system or situation they are in. Sure it always helps, but Dest seems to need partcular set-ups to flourish.
     
  18. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I've never argued he's "world class," I just think arguments that pretend to be tautological/syllogistic that ignore a series of events that actually render the given definition/syllogism incorrect is dishonest. I'm not really sure why it's hard to say he was good enough for Ajax and Koeman's Barca, but not his coaches since. The "he's not playing here so he must not be good enough for here" argument has been shown to be wrong dozens of times. Players get shipped from clubs all the time, where they didn't make the squad, only to perform fine at a "similar" club - and, of course, visa versa. I don't think Dest is a good match for Milan in any situation, esp with their current squad. Does that mean he can't contribute in Serie A? I'm not sure. Probably not his best league - except that it would likely improve his defensive tactical nous.

    As to where I think he'd play best, I'm waiting for someone to recognize my footie genius and get me on the phone. I'm sure it will happen soon! I'd like someplace warm with nice beaches please, or good skiing - Monaco? hello!!! I could have warned you off Freddie!!
     
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  19. aeschylusdanceparty

    NYRB
    United States
    Jun 3, 2021
    Okay, but if the tautology of "not there, so not good enough" is incorrect, the "played there, so good enough" isn't any better. It the same reasoning, just flipped, but you are right about it being situational, but I think that should generally be implied, or read generously. So when someone says he isn't Barca quality, they mean the Barca that is coached by Xavi and winning La Liga quality, but not because of a lack of skills in general, but the specific ones Xavi values. It's all context. I'm of those in the camp who think he is an RB or at least wingback for a variety of reasons. I actually don't think his skills, however dazzling they can be with trick in training, match up well with an up the field attack minded role. Anyway, I certainly wish you luck on the becoming the footie genius for a club, but then I'm DMing so you can hire me, and together we will rewrite the football landscape no doubt.
     
  20. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Again, and Wynalda is not the first to do it re. Dest, it is just silly and dishonest not to post a complete resume when you're claiming the resume "proves" something. And, frankly, Wynalda knows Dest's CV better than most. I, personally, think Dest is an incomplete player with obvious gifts/talents and some glaring flaws/holes. And he has shown to be effective from a LWB position at times - I just have a hunch he'd settle into a RW (or even LW) position if pushed to it. I never thought the Barca move was good even at the time, but he's a kid with no lack of belief and he did not call me either.

    But we're running circles now, so I'm off to my quayside cafe to check my whatsapp for any sign of coaching offers... brb.
     
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  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    You never badmouth a product you want to sell. Even if it's terrible and you hate it, you just say you're replacing it because it no longer fits your needs, but it's still a good product that will make any buyer happy.
     
  22. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dest got more muscles when he was at Barca. You can see the difference from his Ajax days.
    His other issues are still there.
     
  23. irvine

    irvine Member

    Nov 24, 1998
    S. Portland, ME
    Eisern Man: Sergino Dest at Union Berlin
     
  24. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    He needs to get more neurons.
     
  25. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
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    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The nerve that kids have these days.
     
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