Juventus 22/23 Serie A Season Thread for May [R]

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  1. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    This is part of the problem. Kostic has been ok if you like someone just sending left footed crosses in. He's 30 btw...not 22. We have to get younger. Miretti is 19. How do you know he is overrated already? He's been up and down like lots of kids who are 19. This is part of the problem. We need to have patience with the youth and give them a chance before casting them away on loan. I'm not saying he's Tonali...but Sandro was awful his first year with Milan. Patience paid off. It doesn't always but we could stand to have more of it rather than casting off youth and getting Pogbas.
     
  2. cizko

    cizko Member

    Juve
    Italy
    Jul 14, 2017
    What in a good lord's name have I just read?
     
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  3. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    Both things can be true with Miretti. He does appear out of his depth at this level. However, he's 19, a child. He can grow quite a bit and he does show glimpses of class. Again, this is mismanagement by the club and/or he is playing out of necessity due to the shit signings we made in midfield.
     
  4. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    The ten point deduction I’m sure played a part in yesterday’s result.

    Still losing 4-1 to Empoli is an incredible loss.

    I haven’t seen lose by a score like that in years.
     
  5. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    I think the point is that we have veterans who suck and are up and down. We've put up with years of garbage from Sandro for example. So, why not let Miretti and other young players screw up and work through it? We have to build a young talented core and then bring in complimentary pieces to round them out. We are never going to have Man City money to just buy everyone at their peak. So we have to build more organically.
     
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  6. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Kostic was bought to do exactly what he's doing, and his age really isn't a factor. Can't have a team full of 22 year olds, we need some players with experience as well. Miretti may be 19, but for now he's overrated. Hence why I said to send him out on loan, get more experience on a team with less pressure. Fagioli is a player that has met the expectations placed on him.

    We can't keep a team full of youngsters and have patience with all of them if we want to be competitive, we need to have a mix.
     
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  7. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    I'm not saying everyone has to be 22, but we need a young core to build around. Kostic has been below average this year at best. I believe his mediavoto is like 5.7 while Miretti's is 5.8. I know I know...pagelle don't mean anything, but you want to loan out Miretti and keep an average 30 yr old. I think that's the type of short-sighted thinking that has kept us from building an elite team for a long time.

    I don't want to be competitive. I want to win Champions Leagues. That means taking some gambles on young promising players and building that core because as I said we don't have money to buy everyone like Man City does. We lack patience and that leads to buying old players that are over-the-hill. It's still a young man's sport in the end.
     
  8. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    #83 falvo, May 23, 2023
    Last edited: May 23, 2023
    I’m sure age is important to a point but it also depends on the position.

    In the case of the Over 34’s in recent years, losing Chiellini and having a Bonucci relegated to being a part time player, I'm sure hasn't helped much on defense.

    Regardless of their ages, they both brought quite a lot of experience to the defense even during the final stages of their careers.

    That was evident on how they both played for Italy during the Euro in 2021 where they also helped out on offense.

    If it wasn’t for Bonucci’s goal, Italy will have never won the Euro and everyone forgets that and he was already 34 and Chiellini was 36 at the time.

    That was only two years ago so losing both players their caliber on the backline without anyone to fill their shoes, I'm sure hasn't helped Juventus on the field.
     
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  9. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Defenders are the one area you can really push from an age standpoint. So, if a team has a stud on defense that is playing well in their later stages of a career, they should by all means keep playing them.

    Again, the point here isn't that everyone has to be 22, but that we have to be more forward thinking and patient in building a young core that we can thrive with eventually. There are many ways to go about it:

    1. You can invest in home grown youth. That's the best and cheapest way if you have good scouts and a good youth system. Big if.
    2. You can buy cheaper youth (3-5M price range) and hope they are on the upswing. Pricier but it means they've at least shown a glimmer of something.
    3. You can buy youth in the 10-30M range. Typically here they've shown real signs of being a talent, but they aren't fully established. This is the range where Kvaratshkelia, Tonali and Barella were purchased at. IMO, this is the range we should be operating in more often to bring in talent on the upswing.
     
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  10. dean smith

    dean smith Member

    Juventus
    England
    Jan 17, 2021
    Absolutely agree
     
  11. dean smith

    dean smith Member

    Juventus
    England
    Jan 17, 2021
    Kostic is our top assist player and one of the best crosser’s in the world. He has lived up to expectations in my opinion
     
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  12. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    He should keep quiet and if he has to say anything, he should say the usual BS about how the whole situation will be evaluated at the end of the season.

    Now he will look bad no matter what happens.
     
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  13. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    QUE??????????
     
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  14. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    NAPOLI.......

    But to a provincial side?

    Which team was the provincial side yesterday, btw?
     
  15. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Well, for me there is much more to good wing play than whipping in left footed crosses. Kostic is a real liability at times tracking back. The Empoli game was just the latest in some poor performances where he leaves acres of space behind him and we get clobbered. In the grand scheme of all of our issues, he isn't the biggest problem, but I'm hardly excited about his play.

    Not every young kid is gold btw. I agree Barbieri isn't ready yet. Kean will never be a difference maker. There are others I'm not sold on either. But, as I said above, we have to keep our good young core, get rid of the dead weight (Paredes, Pogba, etc), and look for those 10-30M players (if we can afford them) who have some real potential.
     
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  16. SF19

    SF19 Member+

    Jun 8, 2013
    Juve simply have to get with the times, tighten the belt and adapt to the "Atalanta" model. There is a lot of good, young Italian players who aren't getting their due IMO and it's hurting your national side in the process. Historically, Italy's best sides had a core made up of Juve players. The emphasis now has to be on developing these players.
     
  17. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
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  18. Daei_10

    Daei_10 Member+

    Aug 22, 2007
    LA, California
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    They dont do shit about RM Barca Man City but feel like they can bully us. Thanks Agnelli. Create a mess and leave us with it to pay the dues.
     
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  19. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    Cefferin clearly has it in for us thanks to AA.

    He is going to do everything he can to make us bend the knee
     
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  20. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    When we look at this side, there are far greater issues than Kostic, who overall, has been one of our best players.
     
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  21. juventino13

    juventino13 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2005
    Caribbean
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  22. juventino13

    juventino13 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2005
    Caribbean
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  23. juventino13

    juventino13 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2005
    Caribbean
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    Juve getting run over like they have been all season long. Only one more game after this and this horror show of a season will finally be over.
     
  24. juventino13

    juventino13 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2005
    Caribbean
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    Giroud with a great goal
     
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  25. NicktheGreek

    NicktheGreek Member+

    Feb 15, 2001
    Sadly notable horror shows always give birth to a sequel
     

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