Spaghetti Weston: McKennie at Juventus

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by hokeydokey, Jul 7, 2016.

  1. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Well, at least McKennie is able to escape from Leeds.
     
  2. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    The biggest mistake Wes made was not publicly telling 29 to shut the ******** up. No argument here.
     
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  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I guess the big winner today is Dundee's Ian Harkes. With Leeds going down, no one noticed he also got relegated.
     
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  4. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep bad weekend for the Harkes/Reyna families....
     
  5. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    There’s a reason even the military rotates personnel back home. It’s more difficult to work abroad for extended periods of time than people think. But feel free to consider that soft if you must.
     
  6. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Leeds deserved to be relegated and were. Idk why there was so much optimism entering the season. Leeds squad wasn’t good enough.
     
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  7. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    A combination of a Yank hangover from Marsch keeping them up and a decent start to the season.

    Orta allegedly chasing the signatures of players like Gakpo over the summer while letting the backline rot is quite funny in retrospect.
     
  8. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    The fact Leeds spent 35 million pounds on Rutter in January beggars belief. Woof.
     
  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    A shame for our guys there, but knowing their fan base all I can say to Leeds is, "I'm glad you're dead."

     
  10. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just think of what that can buy you on the CB market.... at the very minimum I high quality EPL level defender. Or they could have split it up and bought a better CB and LB. But they spent 35 million pounds on a player that hardly played and never scored. Yikes. And I actually liked Rutter coming out of Hoff. But 35 million was an awful lot considering their defensive woes.
     
  11. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How would Juve fare in the PL? Bottom of the table PL sides are outbidding the Milans and Juves of the world. This Juve is not the Juve of Pirlo and Nedved, et all. Maybe one of those guys could've come into a relegation threatened side, and from sheer "class" (subjective) risen the play of the guys around them, and ultimately saved them but we'll never know. Which midfielder from their current team could've done that?

    I think this exposed a few things: Wes is off mentally, and maybe physically. A run of the mill player for Juve also looks run of the mill for a relegation side in the PL.

    We won't know what version of Wes we have until next season when, hopefully, he finds a team and project that he can and wants to succeed in.
     
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  12. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    If you read their boards at the time, you'd know they thought he barely played for Juve and that Allegri wanted him out.
     
  13. Papin

    Papin BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 19, 1998
    le côté obscur
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're comparing the experiences of soccer players, who have a say in where they live and get paid to kick a ball, to those of military personnel, whose jobs are a bit more important than soccer, and who do not have the same agency in choosing their job conditions? Really? You should be ashamed of yourself.
     
  14. eric_appleby

    eric_appleby Member+

    Jun 11, 1999
    Down East
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The narrative is being carved in stone that the Yanks took Leeds down this season.

    You're welcome.
     
  15. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Leeds is just a broken team right now. They better fix it or they may get relegated next season - and how long was Sunderland in the first division?
     
  16. shnaggletooth

    shnaggletooth Member+

    Jun 23, 2002
    If true, he's got no business being in the sport in the first place. Certainly not in a professional capacity, at least.
     
  17. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    That‘s good isn‘t it?

    It‘s making our guys tough. Only through being mentally hardened by this sort of thing will we ever hope to compete for a WC one day.

    That‘s what I have heard for 30-40 years. This is the only way we will get there.
     
  18. usnroach

    usnroach Member+

    Jul 5, 2009
    SoCal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is off. Not touching the financial side of this, because you're right that newly promoted clubs can spend more than every team in Serie A except for Juventus.

    As for players making a difference, I'm extremely confident that just in the midfield Rabiot comes in and shows his quality, same for Locatelli. Szcesczny makes the backline and organization better, as well as overall shot stopping capability. Just about any defender except for Bonucci and Alex Sandro would increase the defensive solidity. The attack wasn't too bad for Leeds, it would have been enough to stay up.

    It just didn't work out for him at Leeds, it didn't turn out to be the right fit, I was fairly sure that was the case when he made the move. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized from the Leeds supporters and I think it's perfectly fine to call the loan a complete failure. At least they aren't stuck with him and he isn't stuck with them.
     
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  19. usnroach

    usnroach Member+

    Jul 5, 2009
    SoCal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well looking at stats would show that he played plenty. As for Allegri, I think Allegri was fine with Wes but wasn't going to fight to keep him around either.
     
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  20. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Interesting statistic: over 3 EPL seasons Leeds have conceded 157 goals, which is more than any other team in Europe's Top 5 leagues over the same period.

    This season was an accident waiting to happen.
     
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  21. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No doubt the goalkeeping, defense, and probably number 9 options are better at Juve, but midfield is roughly equivalent, which says a lot given their respective statuses. And we have no idea how much money Juve has or doesn't have, especially since they've gone to such great lengths to cook the books. One would suspect not a lot, or even negative.

    Do you anticipate a firesale there this summer? Are any of the main guys clamoring to get out?
     
  22. usnroach

    usnroach Member+

    Jul 5, 2009
    SoCal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No need to look any further than Exor for how much money Juventus have. The plusvalenza case was about buying and selling players for more than they were worth (in the eyes of the courts) habitually. The prisma investigation is about paying players under the table and not recording it correctly and they are a publicly traded company. It was all about "financial fair play," and not about having insufficient funds to pay players or purchase new ones.

    Juventus does not have to sell players, but some may want to leave because of no CL or if Allegri sticks around. Rabiot, Paredes, and Di Maria are all not going to be at Juventus next year. Rumors that Valhovic and possibly Chiesa would want to leave if Allegri stays.
     
  23. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Loco Bielsa taken to its logical conclusion: "look ma, no defense! Just attack, attack, attack...." "But they get tired!" "Not if motivated correctly... yes, that's it!"
     
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  24. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rough news. Especially since most of those guys are big players for the team. I wonder how many of them end up at Chelsea. For some reason I picture Chiesa there
     
  25. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Everyone knew it was going to be a horse-race down the stretch, but Leeds was in charge of its own destiny not that long ago, they just never made the adjustments they needed to (and I don't know if they had the ability.) In the end, they needed 6 more points to stay up. They had a few spots they could have snuck them. Giving up an 80th minute goal to LC was the worst of the recent ones. Fulham they played fairly even, and perhaps could have nabbed a point, and somewhere they needed a surprise. Had a chance at that v NUFC, but really, with Everton finally getting some points, it was always a long shot. Everton with 4 ties in last 10 games - all but one against higher-table teams as well as the shocker win v. Brighton. 7 points where it easily could have been 3, or even 1... Everton did what they had to. Leeds, not so much.
     
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