Spaghetti Weston: McKennie at Juventus

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by hokeydokey, Jul 7, 2016.

  1. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017


    Boo'd as he comes off just to add insult to clear indifference. Good riddance to the Leeds fanbase for using him as a scapegoat.
     
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  2. RecLeague Super Sub

    Fulham
    United States
    Jun 5, 2019
    Even if Leeds come back and win this, the other results render this game useless, do they not?
     
  3. mattjens

    mattjens Member

    United States
    Jun 2, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes
     
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  4. usnroach

    usnroach Member+

    Jul 5, 2009
    SoCal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, this terrible decision is over now. Back to Juventus to see where to next...
     
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  5. Nastrabrahmus

    Nastrabrahmus Member+

    Mar 29, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    To be fair, and I say this as a huge Wes fan, he was dogshit almost the entire loan
     
  6. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    Add in the friend talking negatively about the club and McKennie not exactly refuting what was said and you have a pretty good case for being booed off the field today.
     
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  7. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    "dogshit" is really hard to quantify when the entire team is ass. Wes did not play well, but he didn't play noticeably worse than anyone else. Again, holding down a starting spot as a loanee for 4 different managers means that "dogshit" was significantly better than the other midfielders on the roster...
     
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  8. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    I think the biggest criticism you can give Wes on the field is that he never looked truly invested in the club's success, and I think that's fair.
     
  9. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Boo’ing him doesn’t equate to using him as a scapegoat.

    And Wes should take a long look in the mirror and possibly boo himself. And stop eating pizza with Nutella on top. As a Juve level player that loan was horrendous.

    I’m not interested is excuses either. Wes, it’s the club. Puli, it’s the club. Gio, it’s the club. Musah, it’s the club. There’s a pattern!
     
  10. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    The loan was structured in a manner that led him to believe he would be worse off of Leeds stayed up. But I’d like to think he was professional in his approach and did his best. The problem is that you never really know when he is giving his best. He’s a wildly inconsistent performer. I think Juventus will not exactly be thrilled for him to return.
     
  11. Nastrabrahmus

    Nastrabrahmus Member+

    Mar 29, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    it’s not too hard to quantify. Yes he was on a bad team. Did he make that team improve… at all? No. No production, passing got worse than he was doing at Juve this year, huge moments where he switched off and it cost Leeds. Was never in it, as others have said. Yeah he’s not as bad as most of the team, but this was a total waste of time and he only lowered his value. Again I’m a huge fan of his, and having 3 managers didn’t help, but he didn’t help either.
     
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  12. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    Club seasons are far more demanding than international play. Long, grueling seasons far away from home with bumps, bruises, and depressing weather. I look forward to the day that our domestic league is a viable option for our top national team players.
     
  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Tottenham can score 20 if they want, they're out of European competitions the same.
     
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  14. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    Who had Spurs and Chelsea out of Europe, with Aston Villa and Brighton in? That bet might have earned a penny or two at the beginning of the season.
     
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  15. Dervos

    Dervos Member+

    Mar 13, 2002
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Wes is so bad he's leaking goals from the bench.
     
  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Are you suggesting a culture of petulant entitlement and unearned praise produces bad soccer players?
     
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  17. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    BLUF after starting reasonably well, Wes' form tailed off alarmingly in the spring and never recovered. Long throws are nice, but tactical nous is essential.

    Aaronson looked increasingly lightweight as the season wore on and struggled to make an impact.

    Tyler Adams was the only Yank to make a positive impression, with some Leeds fans believing that they'd have eked out another 3-4 points and stayed up if he'd stayed fit.
     
  18. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    A midfielder looked worse after moving from a club that played in Europe this season and had World Cup winners on it, and that is his fault? If only Leeds had been able to pair Weston with Rabiot and Locatelli...

    I don't disagree that this move was bad for him, and I don't disagree that it was a half-season wasted, but I do disagree that Weston deserves any more condemnation from Leeds supporters than anyone else on the team. The fact that Leeds supporters were/are applauding Marc Roca's efforts while calling Weston the worst player in white in a long time is indicative that Wes represented something bigger than his own performances...
     
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  19. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What I’m saying is YA has a terrible habit of blaming clubs for our underperforming players.

    Observe similar level performances from players of other nationalities and they’re simply “not good enough”.
     
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  20. Nastrabrahmus

    Nastrabrahmus Member+

    Mar 29, 2012
    San Diego, CA

    I think we can all agree Leeds fans are awful
     
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  21. Papin

    Papin BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 19, 1998
    le côté obscur
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If our top national team players have a difficult time playing away from home in sometimes depressing weather, then they are soft and our national team will never be among the top tier.
     
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  22. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I’m not mistaken no other Leeds player had their boy go on Twitter space and essentially trash the club.

    Wes didn’t get nearly the heat he does now prior to that.

    Closest thing to Brek Shea flipping off the supporters that we’ve seen since.
     
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  23. usnroach

    usnroach Member+

    Jul 5, 2009
    SoCal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I was a Leeds fan and we transferred in a midfielder from Juventus who played regularly and started pretty regularly as well with this output, I would be pissed too. I wouldn't care if his performances were as bad or good as the rest of the team, I would expect him with that experience to raise the level of those around him or at least show that he was levels above the rest. I don't think that showed more than a couple occasions and hence the problem with their supporters and I don't fault them for that.

    For the record, I think he is better than what he showed at Leeds and after Jesse was gone followed by TA, I think his heart was no longer interested in that relegation fight.
     
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  24. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Potential next seasons thread (assuming Aaronson and or adams) are there, "Aaronson/Adams @ B-elland Road"?
     
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  25. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Sure, but sometimes a spade is a spade. Point to a good decision Leeds United made this season... *maybe* firing Marsch, but they even managed to bungle that by waiting until after the window had closed and did it without having a succession plan, so they had to play 3 mid-season matches with a caretaker.

    This is a situation where you can actually blame some of it on the club, because the club was bad.
     

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