Luis Sinisterra - news and comments

Discussion in 'Colombians Abroad' started by Baal88, Jul 25, 2017.

  1. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Marsch was done in by Bamford getting the yips and Sini (who didn't have the yips) getting hurt so often - they would have been comfortably safe.

    Then with both of those issues they went out and spent a club record fee on a developmental player in Rutter that doesn't even start and doesn't have a track record as a goal scorer.

    I don't think Marsch is a bad coach and I think he sees the game well, but I do agree with Sid that their fan base and the British media hated him and the nuance of what someone watching these games would experience was lost on them...
     
  2. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Wth is a yip
     
  3. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  4. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  5. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Or maybe it's more common than you think...
     
  6. lvbeto

    lvbeto Member

    Jul 27, 2007
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    if Marsh is bad, imagine the torture Lampard is going through with Chelsea. Isn't he 0-6 since he took over. Something like 3rd manager this season. Yes, they are above Leeds at the table but Chelsea spent a ton of money on players. That is a brutal media in that country. They will turn on you fast.

    I didn't think Marsh was horrible. Luck didn't go his way unfortunately.
     
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  7. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Leeds losing 2-0 to Spurs so they are 100% going down, which means a new club for Sinisterra.
     
  8. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I called back in July.
     
  9. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    their decline has been spectacular
     
  10. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    It was so obvious. I knew it was a bad move for him.
     
  11. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    If he had been able to stay healthy I really think they stay up and Marsch might still be employed.

    Bummer. Fortunately, he looked high quality in the games he got to play.
     
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  12. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    What is a Colombian footballer?

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  13. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    100%. Begs the question - why? Nutrition? Are they getting full of PEDs at some stage that make them brittle? Do they not have right focus on physio? (Sini had a famously great relationship with the Feyenoord physio team and has attributed them to helping save his career when he had the major injury).
     
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  14. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    It's not normal
     
  15. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I think that there’s a combination of factors and I would like to know if other countries’ players and leagues are having similar issues. The modern game and the EPL are very physically demanding, and the amount of games plus the packed calendar doesn’t help.

    Throw in the amount of contact that some leagues allow against the skillful players and factor in that some of them might have had nutritional shortcomings or poor training habits and you have a perfect path to the residence in the injury list.
     
  16. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Post of the year….unfortunately
     
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  17. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    We discussed this in the Duvan thread too…

    It’s pretty much an “all of the above” scenario as to why many of our key guys are brittle. I do wonder how much of an investment is there into nutrition/fitness at the youth levels for our clubs and NT.

    There’s a reason why players from Spain and Germany play 40+ games every club season and 100+ caps for the NT…
     
  18. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Is the nutrition that much better in Brasil or Argentina? A lot of these kids across the region come from tough backgrounds.

    I guess supporting would be that Falcao as a second generation player, who would have been raised/fed/worked out carefully, had fewer muscle injuries (can't blame him for the knees).

    But James was effectively raised to be a pro player right? Turned pro at 14. Was playing in Argentina under a serious coach by 17 and at Porto by 19. No doctor has been able to solve his calf issue in almost 10 years?
     
  19. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I’d like to see the numbers for other countries and I don’t think that our situation is particularly bad, only that our pool of players in the big leagues is not as big, so two or three players get injured we really notice.
     
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  20. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    ^^^this x 10000

    I'm old enough to remember the days of getting up extra early in hopes to see RAI TV and catch the few folks in the 90s that made it to Serie A. Of those only Asprilla had serious billing. It wasn't until that post 2005 U20s that Eruo teams really started to invest in higher Colombian numbers and what we see today. But from that huge pool, it's still relatively a small number that has been able to keep a Euro top 5 career. I think it will get better but we're still easily 10 years behind the big 3 (Arg/Bra/Uru) in youth/professional development for the big leagues. But they also have plenty of players that don't make it/get injured etc. The one thing I notice is that Euro coaches dont seem to have the same patience/process around Colombian talent than they offer the Argentinian/Brazilian player. Vinicious Jr was downright awful his 1st 2 years at RM. If he was Colombian I don't think he would have seen a 3rd year in the club.
     
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  21. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I also used to wake up for RAI coverage in the Tino years!

    I would love to see the stats - it may be within random/not stat significant for players in those leagues but if you look within our XI the injury incidence among guys who would be starters feels crazy.
     
  22. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    those guys have proven themselves time and time again for many many many years. We are still pretty new to the scene and do not show the same consistency that those guys do
     
  23. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    yes and no. They're proven because of development, opportunity and resilience. BUT for every 'failure' (Ruiquelme, Higuain, Veron, etc), they have had lots of success. The BIGGEST difference hands down is not 'skill' but rather "access". All of the 3 south american powerhouses have had dual citizenship or Euro passport or some linkage that allows them easier access. I don't blame the process but we have to have context.

    looking at you MacAllister...great season at Brighton and had a solid WC. But I remember watching him play for Boca and even for Brighton prior to these last 2 years and surely no better or worse than so many of our "ibarbos'. But there he is today, one of the hottest tix in EPL.
     
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  24. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    The Argentinians have a better league and better coaching than us by far, players who come out of Argentina are often tactically ready right away to jump into the European game, Brazil as well. Our coaching and domestic league is not at the same level, players can come out and be successful right away, but often they need to be brought up to speed tactically. We're still playing 10's and you get a ton of time on the ball.

    The bias is also there but it's somewhat fair overall after tons of Argentinians and Brazilians being huge parts of Euro clubs. Of course we have players who do the same, but the number is much smaller so the bias remains. If we improve our tactical coaching in the domestic league and bring our clubs further into the modern methods I think a lot more of our players would be making the jump.
     
  25. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    plenty of garbage Brazilians and Argie players go abroad and fail. They will just take a bigger $$$ risk on a kid who sucks than they would with a player not in those countries.

    Argentina also has that horseshit hey.... my grandma is from Italy argument. When was this fking mass exodus of Europe to Argentina and Brazil? I mean my family left during WW2 because they were jewish. That is lets says a baby + 20 years is 1965 + 20 years 1985 + 20 years 2005. That excuse better be drying up.

    Since Falcao wasn't able to get an EU passport when his great grandfather was English. I don't get how far back the Spanish/italians give teams.

    A colombian kid goes abroad because of the EU BS they are going to be a starter in the future. Or are a part of our NT.
     

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