Listening to the post game coverage of the Championship playoff and they're talking about how this is the most valuable win in sports, how it takes a team into the group of elite teams from the group of everyone else, and how this game will fundamentally change the team's and the player's futures. Does nobody see the inherent problem in that? I'm not anti-P/R in Europe, but when things are so out of balance that you're talking like that, doesn't that suggest there's a flaw in things? If P/R is working right the teams should be (roughly) ranked 17-18-19-20-21-22-23-24 in quality with a small gap between 20 and 21 representing the difference in leagues. There' shouldn't be a moat there that teams are desperate to cross because there's a better life on the other side.
"I feel like I completed football." 😅Luton Town's Pelly Ruddock Mpanzu is first player in history to play for the same club from the National League to the Premier League 👏 pic.twitter.com/6sjujVs7rG— Football Daily (@footballdaily) May 27, 2023
You just making my point if competitiveness in europe was American type bayern real or juve would becer win that much because they would be dismantled and that is what American sports are and that is not competitiveness but being afraid if one team keep winning others will get bored so we have to please others by punishing the winner
Pelly Ruddock Mpanzu is the first player to play for the same club from the National League to the Premier League. When he joined Luton Town in 2013 they trained on a public field where residents walked their dogs through the training sessions!
Well the answer is 'don't get relegated'! Fact is thousands of teams have been relegated and continued to operate without any problems!! There is a simple answer to this (non existant) issue in English football and its this................if you can't afford it then don't spend it! Its not rocket science, all you need for a game of football is one ball a pitch, some flags and a goalpost, NOBODY forces ANY club to spend hundreds of millions of pounds! Thanks to promotion Luton Town are now one of the worlds richest football clubs, what they do with their new found wealth is up to them, they now hove means that nearly every club in the world can only dream about SO if they outspend their means then lets not get the violins out for them! Brighton are a prime example of how you turn your football club into one of the biggest and best clubs on the planet, Bury are an example of how NOT to run a football club! Thanks to pro/rel though that can always change. I don't know exactly how much more revenue Luton Town will get next season compared to when they were non-league but the difference will be GIGANTIC, they now have money to spend on a quality of player that was simply not open to them 10 years ago - the trick is to spend the money wisely!
Yes, absolutely, and that's pretty much how it is in other divisions, which is why a club can go up and do well without major changes elsewhere. It's usually more expressed in the problem of relegated clubs being able to outspend most due to parachute payments, but the growing financial gap, which is not related at all to a club's ability to generate income, is definitely an issue. The Premier League's founding principle was greed, because the top clubs weren't happy about having to share money with the rest of the football league. With the way tv rights have grown, this is the outcome, and it's skewed the game in a very messy way. The problem isn't pro/rel though, unless someone can tell me a way that not allowing Luton promotion into the premier league would help them.
The problem isn't caused by pro/rel, but the problem wouldn't exist without it either. Pro/rel certainly isn't fixing the issue.
Technically they were also the first club to go from the premier league to non-league, having been one of the 22 founder members who resigned from the league in 1992, but they got relegated before the new league kicked off.
That's kind of putting the cart before the horse though. The problem only exists in the context of teams being promoted or relegated, and what happens when they go up or down. Without pro/rel, the money gap would get worse, as the relevance of the divisions outside the premier league would diminish. So I'd ask, if binning pro/rel would make the cash gap even bigger, and make the championship and less valuable and interesting 'product' for fans, who exactly would be helped by scrapping it? It's kind of like solving the problem of workplace pay inequality by banning women from getting jobs.
It would, however, keep teams from putting themselves in serious financial peril risking a complete financial collapse that could lead to non-existence. Which itself has some value. Again, I've never said P/R should be ended, though it may need to be paused in England if/when this house of cards collapses (much like Meixco is supposedly doing right now).
People have been saying for 20+ years that the “house of cards” will collapse. It’s not happened but obviously that doesn’t mean it can’t.
Oh wow the split screen contrast between Everton joy and Leicester and Leeds despair… I’ve seen my team relegated seven times but firmly believe deciding status based on results on the field of play is the essence of sport.
Rorshach test indeed. Either Everton or Leicester was going down to make room for Luton. Whether one believes tuis is magical or idiotic is a matter of opinion...kind of. Promotion and relegation does not ameliorate competitive imbalance, it fosters it. I think this is settled at this point. If anyone would care to disagree, well, feel your feelings. The stats say else. If the mission is to make Luton fans happy, then there are ways to structure leagues without sacrificing more appropriate teams and fanbases. Relegation turns what should be healthy middle-class teams into yo-yos. Leicester, for want of a Bournemouth goal, has gone from implausible role model to cautionary tale. Who benefits from this silliness?
Disgruntled fans showing passion doesn't happen in closed leagues. This is as REAL as it gets… Chris Klein has to go. Unacceptable result. @LAGalaxy #ACB #LAgalaxy #MLSSoccer pic.twitter.com/muJLwrd4J7— Darryl Satcher (@DarrylSatcher) May 28, 2023
Luton Town fans despondent at the silliness of their being promoted to the Premier League: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-65738081.amp
More 'appropriate teams and fanbases'? I don't think Leeds fans have any more 'right' to Premier League football than Luton fans do they?
"We?" Rubber-necking neutrals? For one weekend a year? Facilities matter. So does the size of support. Accepting the premise that top division is a zero-sum crab bucket, that is. If Luton is an appropriate top level team, why sacrifice Leicester for them? Because 20-22-24 teams and a balanced schedule is ordained by God? EDIT - sorry, missed this the first time. Yes, the "essence" of a sport is artificially adding stakes so people will care about the result. American sports aren't inherently better than soccer, but they don't need to Russian roulette their teams in order to get fan interest.
Why do they 'matter' exactly? You get points for scoring goals and winning games you don't get points for having more supporters? Besides the 'level' of support changes depending on how successful you are over a period of time. Brighton have a LOT more supporters attending their games than they had 20 years ago! The fact that Brighton have more supporters than ever won't stop them from getting relegated next season though, not winning enough games will do that.
Indeed. The relegation scrap has been drama for months. At one point it looked like Crystal Palace were in free fall to relegation and they ended up finishing above Chelsea, who spent more this season than all the other teams in the top four European leagues combined.
Presumably Burnley should be banned from the Premier League as well because they don’t play in a big enough “market”.
The ability and willingness of a team to provide a safe and enjoyable experience is seriously, are you kidding me with this? Leicester, Leeds and Soton will have an entire year of lower quality - at least - because Luton won a shootout. How do you build healthy teams with such a stupid structure? Maybe they would have had those fans all along if the league was organized rationally, instead of as a temple to the zero-sum cult.
Green Bay says hi. They have whiny, self-satisfied supporters who think they invented being fans, too, you'll get along great EDIT - I can't be bothered to see if Burnley is or isn't the 33rd most popular team in England, but if they're not, then who cares? And if they're 32nd or above, they can have a system that keeps them in the top level permanently tomorrow morning. Hell, England can have a top 48 league tomorrow morning, but for now no US league is above 32, so Ill be fair.