Sporting KC @ Philadelphia 4/1 6:30pm [R]

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  1. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AT and medical staff. Who do you think sets the daily training load and recovery schedules? Thats what cause hamstring pulls.

    They all have a part in identifying injuries (2 knee injuries were missed) and return to play protocol and timelines.

    And my specific beef started with the stupid altitude camp and hyperbaric chambers. Anyone with basic physical training knowledge knows you don't over load athletes at the start if a season. Then the 2 missed knee injuries and now half the team hasbthe classic over use injury, the hamstring pull.
     
  2. KCFutbol

    KCFutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not the doctors/surgeons.
     
  3. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I thought we looked so much better than we had to date in 2023 that it verged on thrilling. I love rosero. How many man-up type defensive moments did he have? Castellanos was a solid defensive presence. I know, but we haven't had that for a while.
    Radoja, before the injury? He had me dreaming, and by freeing Walter at the 8 it was kind of purring in the midfield.
    Melia? Looked like peak Melia almost. I was a bit shocked, but that was nice.
    Agada looked livelier. Thommy had a spring in his step. Salloi was finding space. And wow does JFR make a difference.
    The drop off to the subs was a bit sad, Pulido excepted.
    Best line by the announcers was in a quick back and forth after Roger came on and drew a questionable foul.
    "Looks like he was slowing down to draw the foul"
    "Nah, that's just as fast as he can run these days."
     
  4. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would doctors/ surgeons have a role in a hamstring injury? "Medical staff" is a pretty commonly used generic term for the ATs, PTs, nutritionists, and yes even the doctors and surgeons.

    That said, the doctors/surgeons missed 2 knee injuries to 2 DPs last year.
     
  5. KCFutbol

    KCFutbol Moderator
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    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is there a link available that explains this? I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that it's a bit hard to believe.
     
  6. BenDover

    BenDover BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 4, 2010
    Rio Verde, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I watched the full replay of the game last night since I didn’t get to watch it live. A number of things come to mind:
    1. Agada still looks unsure of what he is supposed to be doing. I don’t get why he seems lost when he had such success with essentially the same personnel last season.
    2. I thought Radoja did OK, but not great while he was playing. However, one long hard sprint made him come up with a hamstring injury. WTF is going on with all the hammies at SKC?
    3. Voloder did better playing out of position than he did as a CB. Most of what he did was pretty good. The one thing he lacked was accurate crosses into the box.
    4. That UFO sighing outside the stadium was really Zusi’s second attempted shot. It was so ridiculously bad that the crowd gave him a standing ovation. He needs to stop.
    5. Is Roger really that slow or was he just jogging?
    6. To my eyes, SKC was a better team most of the game until the subs came on in the last 10 minutes of the game. They were lucky not to give up a goal.
    7. Melia was really solid all night long. Glad to see him do well.
    8. I very much liked the Rosero / Castellanos back line. Can’t wait to see what they can do after some time together. If PV puts Fontas back in after what those two did, he is a fool.
    9. It was good to see Pulido back on the field. If Pulido is up to it, I would like to see him start the next game and let Agada sit the bench.
    10. Completed passing percentages in the 70s is not going to work if the team wants to score goals. Especially true when in the final 3rd. They just can’t seem to get that all important pass to the right person in the box. Credit Philly’s defense for a lot of that, but SKC did have opportunities.
    11. SKC did everything they should have done in the game except put the ball in the net. Frustrating.
     
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  7. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Taking a look at the game on its own, a draw on the road against the MLS Cup finalists and a favorite to return this year is a very good result for KC. Unfortunately we can't with the way the rest of the season has gone.
     
  8. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A link....if you were paying attention in 2021, it was well known. Pulido was in and out of the lineup with knee pain. He wasn't playing much at the end of the season. He didn't start the playoff game but subbed in for Shelton. They had him participate in preseason and finally determined surgery was needed before the season started. Below is the documentation you requested. Straight from PV. Anything else you need?


    “Alan Pulido gets hurt with the national team, I have no control over that,” said Vermes. “Even all last year he was, how do I put this? He was maybe 50% of himself. And so nobody was clear yet on what kind of surgery or if he had to have surgery, or what would fix what, just nothing like that. It really wasn't found out until after the end of the season. And so he played the whole entire season with this problem.”

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/pete...recedented-2022-something-i-ve-never-experien
     
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  9. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Kinda....

    Kinda was still experiencing pain in the knee well after the typical timeline for recovery from the meniscus repair, which led to the discovery in recent days of the additional knee injury

    https://www.kshb.com/sports/sportin...signated-player-mf-gadi-kinda-for-2022-season
     
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  10. drhoades00

    drhoades00 Member

    Aug 13, 2010
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Where/when do we all meet up to start sacrificing some pigs on some rope?
     
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  11. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think if burnt (end) offerings were the answer, KC would be the last place with problems.
     
  12. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Good list. I think on number 2, Radoja was good, and I think his positioning was better than we've seen since Ilie lost his wheels. But as importantly he freed Walter to play Walter's best role, and Walter was a major reason we were controlling the game before the injury. Our attack/possession, with Walter and thommy up top, is levels of magnitude better than with Roger up there.
    Also, I was impressed by Voloder on the left. It is insane that we loaded up on left backs, and the best outing we've had there is a CB, but it was a good outing.
     
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  13. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Speaking of left backs, an interesting side note, Duke played LB for SKCII yesterday vs Austin. My opinion on that would be that they're wanting him comfortable there in case he needs to spell Voloder with Leibold and Ndenbe out and Sweat presumably in the doghouse.
     
  14. BenDover

    BenDover BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 4, 2010
    Rio Verde, AZ
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol, let’s hope Voloder doesn’t end up with a hamstring injury. Duke would be the fifth left back while old Zusi just keeps on going.
     
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  15. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    We're reaching the stretch of the season in which we really should be planning on the 36-year-old RB to break down, as well. Last year it was game 10. Now, it might not happen this season, but I doubt his body is getting better able to handle 90 minute outings at full speed.
    Indeed, when I see his name, again and again, in the starting 11 and then on the field at 90 minutes, I fear that it's not so long before his fate is that of pet bird from Dumb and Dumber.
    At some point, his head will just fall off.
     
  16. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Agreed. I wish he'd have his minutes managed better. He's still pretty good in the right circumstances, but if his legs fall off while he battles through far too many of the wrong circumstances...

    I guess it's a race if his head or his legs fall off first
     
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  17. drhoades00

    drhoades00 Member

    Aug 13, 2010
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    This is the part I don't get. Everyone knows father time is coming for these guys. PV has acknowledged that with working in Roger for 45-60 mins at a time and planning for it by subbing in one of his replacements to start getting minutes.

    Why is he not doing the same thing with Zusi? Either start KP and let Zusi come in at some point to finish it or the other way around. Start Zusi with the plan to play him a half and see how its going like Roger.

    My guess is that we're already without our first choice right wing for most of the beginning of this year and PV did not want a newbie on the back side of that (which makes sense). So with JFR coming back perhaps we'll see more flexibility on the right side of the back line.
     
  18. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He was good this weekend, with JFR doing Johnny things and two CBs and a lB who actually focused on defending. But the game against Seattle will long be remembered as a total failure on his part. I really don't think the bad weeks are on him. we have to know that at 36 he has limitations, and we are ignoring that. i get that KP has been injured, but running Zusi until he falls apart is not a good, full season strategy.
     
  19. Kooth

    Kooth Member

    Sporting KC
    Mar 11, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is this story from Jimmy Mack about how Peter said they let Pulido play on a bum knee, because he wanted to, and then had to drain up to 40 cc's of fluid afterwards. Not only is that rewarding a childish desire of a player it is terrible management of a 9 mil investment. Someone tell me who are the adults in the SKC org again? The strory starts about 29 min in.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...citys-slow-start/id1288428701?i=1000603282660
     
  20. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I bet the "update" is that Sweat was let go. Part of Peter's scapegoat assignment strategy. Last year it was Mauri, now Sweat. The best managers assign blame.


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  21. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for finding/sharing this. More "proof" for what I thought was the well known mismanagement of knee injuries to two DPs last year.
     
  22. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Could be, but also possible that he's upset ben tied him for top spot in our worst poll, so Vermes is getting rid of the competition.
    To be fair to Vermes, Sweat has been all kinds of bad this season.
    to be fair to Sweat, I don't really get it. We actually know he's better than he's been this year. Maybe the signing of Leibold really shook him?
    If Ben Sweat is leaving, i really hope it's through trade, as he would be wanted, at least as depth, by a number of side, despite this horrible start. We wouldn't get much, but we could get something.
    That said, as well as Voloder played the position in his one outing, if we believe the others may some day be healthy, there was no need for four or five lbacks
     
  23. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From what I've heard, yeah he's gone.
     
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  24. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for the confirmation. All signs pointed to him being shipped out. Mauri part II. I guess this is how PV handles bad starts. Don't look in the mirror. Find a scapegoat.

    Anyway, as I said above, you have to blame someone and the best managers assign blame.

    Question is, who does the Owner blame?
     
  25. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean if you want to go back even further, Gardner and Jerome in 2019 after the CCL collapse.

    That said, Sweat shouldn't stick around, he'd reverted to his early 2022 form that had us all pulling our hair out. Both can technically be true, Sweat can be a scapegoat, but also be a necessary departure.
     
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