What are your top 10 best inidvidual world campaigns that you have seen? From what i have seen so far Maradona 86 is the absolute best by a far margin.If i would put all campaigns based on Dribbling Perfomance, Playmaking Perfomance, Goals /Assists in different tiers: S Tier: Maradona 86 A Tier: Jairzinho 70, Cruyff 74,Kempes 78 B Tier: Pele 1970, Messi 2022, Mbappe 2022,Zidane 98&06 C Tier: R9 2002
Zidane with two world cups better than R9s best? This forum gets more amusing by the day As much as I love Maradona I would say Eusebio 1966 was inferior to nobody at World Cup level Eusébio 1965/66 World Cup golden ball World Cup top scorer World Cup top dribbler European Cup top scorer Portuguese league top scorer Unrivalled peak
I rewatched all r9 2002 perfomances Dude was LITTERALLY just a Goalscorer in this WC in a ridicioulus Team where he has dinho and Rivaldo behind him.Goal scoring wise it´s probably the best ever in a WC but almost zero dribbling and playmaking ...i give him that clutch solo goal vs turkey though
It’s not even close to being the best ever scoring in a World Cup lol Still better than any of Zidanes though
Pele and Messi in tier 1 or 2. Pele 70> Jair 70. R9 2002 in tier 3. R9 98>Zidane 98, R9 2002> Zidane 2006.
how? when Zidanes General Play litterally shits on R9´s dribbling and playmaking wise plus zidane also scored crucial goals
If S Tier is 'Super' Tier, I think I'd add Cruyff in that category too myself and end up with something like this (even though he didn't end up with the trophy, which Maradona did): S Tier - Maradona 86, Cruyff 74 A Tier - Pele 58 (probably), Eusebio 66, Garrincha 62 B Tier - Pele 70, Jairzinho 70, Kopa 58 (probably) C Tier - Fontaine 58 (probably), Kempes 78
Only In your mad head does a CF have to match the Playmaking of a....playmaker R9s function was to score the goals to win his country the World Cup and he did that in practically every single game except the QF
if someones dribbles, playmakes creates Chances AND also Scores Important goals why should someone who only is a Goalscorer be over him? lmao
What freaking important goals did Zidane ever score in the World Cup from open play except in the 1998 final Is the World Cup a final or is it a tournament dude
I’ll give my list and contribute no further Attackers/midfielders Tier 1 Diego Maradona 1986 Eusébio 1966 Tier 2 Garrincha 1962 Johan Cruyff 1974 Raymond Kopa 1958 Tier 3 Didi 1958 Pele 1958 Pele 1970 Kempes 1978 Jairzinho 1970 Hagi 1994 Lato 1974 Zico 1982 Baggio 1994 Rivaldo 2002 Mbappe 2022 James Rodriguez 2014 Tier 4 Messi 2014 Robben 2014 Stoichkov 1994 Fontaine 1958 Kocsis 1954 Rossi 1982 R9 2002 R9 1998 Mbappe 2018 Brolin 1994 Romario 1994 Lothar matthaues 1990 Messi 2022(with penalties) Tier 5 Zidane 2006 Pirlo 2006 Sócrates 1982 Gerson 1970 Tostao 1970 Gerd Müller 1970 Schillachi 1990 Paul gascoigne 1990 Stojkovic 1990 Maradona 1990 Micheal laudrup 1986 Tier 10 Roger milla 1990 Messi 2022(without penalties) Open play goals against Australia,Mexico and stupendous finish vs France....
I'm not sure I agree about Milla Carlito tbh - I think he was better than Maradona in the 1990 World Cup edition actually (arguably at least - I know Maradona had his own moments, most notably the assist to Caniggia vs Brazil). On one hand he was 'only a sub', but in some ways it makes what he was able to do in limited game time even more notable I think (and it wasn't only the goals - his control and awareness was generally very good I think, and raising the level and hopes of Cameroon whenever he entered the pitch). In some ways he was closer to 'peak R9' in World Cup play than Ronaldo Nazario himself was in any World Cup I'd even suggest (not to say I categorically would rate Milla's 1990 World Cup over Ronaldo's in 1998 or 2002 all in all, but he was arguably closer in the way he played, in terms of solo play and taking on defences etc, to what might have been expected from Ronaldo if he had brought his very best to a World Cup).
How can we compare Zidane minfield control (beautiful, creative, but still) with progressive dribbling, goals and effectiveness of R9? Its not comparable. Also gravity of R9 was tiers ahead.
R9s progressive dribbling did not exist in the 2002 edition Still he doesn’t need it He just needs to fulfil his function to the highest possible degree which he did or at least did to a far higher degree than Zidane did at the World Cup That is Zidane who wasn’t top 3 dribbler,creator or scorer(from open play) in any of his world cups R9 was golden shoe winner in 2002 The best goal scorer in a World Cup edition and better than any other goalscorer who competed in that edition
S Tier: Maradona 86 A Tier: Pelé 70, Cruyff 74, B Tier: Messi 22, Kempes 78, Pirlo 06, Didi 58, Garrincha 62, Jairzinho 70, Eusebio 66 etc Maradona 86 was the highest peak of his career and perhaps of a football player. Pelé probably played as much, but at his peak in Santos in 62-63 or Messi in Barcelona 2011-12. In clubs, not in a world cup. Cruyff was a revolutionary. Electric and dynamic football. Much faster than people were used to. And Cruyff is still the one who created the most chances in a single World Cup. I would put Pelé 70 next to him. Some tend to look down on Pelé '70 for being alongside other stars. But the king was above all. It is also the individual performance with the highest number of assists and anthological moments, such as the almost goal from midfield against Czechoslovakia and the dribble over Mazurkiewski. If Messi does a dribble like that in 2022, the internet would crash. In addition, Pelé dominated the final, against Italy, which even Maradona didn't do in 1986. Pelé showed a king's repertoire (head goal, left, right, assist, goal in the final). Pele had it all. On the third shelf, I would put a lot of players, including Messi, who have had great performances. Messi was very decisive, but he also scored a lot of goals from the penalty spot, which takes away some of his shine. I think a lot of players could be placed on the third shelf.
I get that Messi 22 wasn´t a dribbling and Goal scoring threat over 90 Minutes in every Game in that WC but to put in the same Tier as Pirlo 2006 is a bit too much he did wayyyyy more than Pirlo from an Eye Test Perspective esspecially
You literally on this very forum said to me on my comment (after Mbappes perofrmance vs Poland) that Mbappe is having an all time great wc performance that thats a ridiculous statement. Poland is trash blablabla.. 3 games latter, 3 most important games latter (vs England, vs Morroco and vs Argentina) and ONLY 1 direct non pen goal involvment latter (goal vs Argentina) you are putting Mbappe in top 17 best performances of all time while arguing Messi is trash without penalties (who btw produced one of the best passes in wc history vs Netherlands, one of the best assists in general vs Croatia and hot prospect Gvardiol and scored a non pen goal vs France in final... and we all know you love tap ins because you praise Cristianos goalscoring record in ucl KO stage) If bitterness and hatred could be eaten, you, my man, would solve world hunger. The funniest thing is that you know you are completely wrong but you keep doubling down on your idiocy.. its amusing.
Messis pass vs Holland was NOT one of the best in history Not even close LMAO Not even one of the best in World Cup history Not even one of the best in World Cup KO stage history This is what you call a flipping great pass Rivaldo assisting Ronaldo vs Holland in the 1998 World Cup semi final That key pass/assist vs Croatia I’ve seen Cristiano Ronaldo 100 times btw Beating one player on the byline and playing a simple pass or cross was his bread and butter...for years Just not vs Croatia I don’t rate Messi for things that you rate him for neither do I rate Cristiano as being a great player for reasons you rate him a great player
I rate Messis pass vs Holland highly In the way I rate a great piece of inventive skill that I come across every other day It was not one of the best passes in football history Not close to that not even remotely close to that That’s what you said so I’m addressing that maradonas assist vs Brazil in actual fact is also a better World Cup KO stage assist then the one of Messi
he called this campaign here basically trash we should not take him seriously when it comes to messi.
You clearly dont think of it highly enough. Let me clarify. I said one of the best in wc history. What I didnt say is that it is top 2 or top 5 or top 20 pass in history of wc football. Such arbitrary conditions (top X) are pointless in defining such ingenious piece of play.. it is one of the best by virtue of what it is regardless of how many great passes there are in wc history and how it might compare to others. You clearly dont understand how good it is. It is a pass that shouldnt be possible. Unlike Rivaldos example, Netherlands defensive structure is perfect. It doesnt come from a counter attack or chaotic situation. None of Netherlands' players made a slightest mistake in defending. Ake is pressing Messi perfectly fine. Messi saw Molinas run and saw the passing opportunity. He set it up with dribbling and fients and made a pass with perfect timing (+ through the legs of Ake) with perfect passing line and with perfect power behind the pass. To see that through ball opportunity is an exceptional vision in of itself, but to set it up like that is amazing and to perfectly execute the idea is absolutely astonishing. The margin of error behind timing, passing line and power of the pass is insanely small. Slightly off and it is blocked by Ake or intercepted by Van Dijk or some other defender or it is too behind Molina to successfully control it. Slightly too much power and Molina cant reach the pass. Combining all of that makes this an ingenious piece of play, unstoppable pass on the biggest stage in the world with all the pressure in the world. "Come across every day".. sure. Yes.
Rivaldo probably has 50% claim to Ronaldos 15 World Cup goals Brilliant pre assist on R9s goal vs China