top 10 Best indvidual World Cup campaigns(Attackers)

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by LaPulga22, Mar 31, 2023.

  1. LaPulga22

    LaPulga22 Member

    Messi FC
    Argentina
    Mar 10, 2023
    What are your top 10 best inidvidual world campaigns that you have seen?
    From what i have seen so far Maradona 86 is the absolute best by a far margin.If i would put all campaigns based on Dribbling Perfomance, Playmaking Perfomance, Goals /Assists in different tiers:
    S Tier: Maradona 86
    A Tier: Jairzinho 70, Cruyff 74,Kempes 78
    B Tier: Pele 1970, Messi 2022, Mbappe 2022,Zidane 98&06
    C Tier: R9 2002
     
  2. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    #2 carlito86, Apr 1, 2023
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    Zidane with two world cups better than R9s best?

    This forum gets more amusing by the day

    As much as I love Maradona I would say Eusebio 1966 was inferior to nobody at World Cup level

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    Eusébio 1965/66


    World Cup golden ball

    World Cup top scorer

    World Cup top dribbler

    European Cup top scorer

    Portuguese league top scorer

    Unrivalled peak
     
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  3. LaPulga22

    LaPulga22 Member

    Messi FC
    Argentina
    Mar 10, 2023
    I rewatched all r9 2002 perfomances Dude was LITTERALLY just a Goalscorer in this WC in a ridicioulus Team where he has dinho and Rivaldo behind him.Goal scoring wise it´s probably the best ever in a WC but almost zero dribbling and playmaking ...i give him that clutch solo goal vs turkey though
     
  4. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    It’s not even close to being the best ever scoring in a World Cup lol

    Still better than any of Zidanes though
     
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  5. Gregoire1

    Gregoire1 Member

    Dec 4, 2020
    Pele and Messi in tier 1 or 2. Pele 70> Jair 70. R9 2002 in tier 3. R9 98>Zidane 98, R9 2002> Zidane 2006.
     
  6. LaPulga22

    LaPulga22 Member

    Messi FC
    Argentina
    Mar 10, 2023
    how? when Zidanes General Play litterally shits on R9´s dribbling and playmaking wise plus zidane also scored crucial goals
     
  7. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    If S Tier is 'Super' Tier, I think I'd add Cruyff in that category too myself and end up with something like this (even though he didn't end up with the trophy, which Maradona did):
    S Tier - Maradona 86, Cruyff 74
    A Tier - Pele 58 (probably), Eusebio 66, Garrincha 62
    B Tier - Pele 70, Jairzinho 70, Kopa 58 (probably)
    C Tier - Fontaine 58 (probably), Kempes 78
     
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  8. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    Only In your mad head does a CF have to match the Playmaking of a....playmaker

    R9s function was to score the goals to win his country the World Cup and he did that in practically every single game except the QF
     
  9. LaPulga22

    LaPulga22 Member

    Messi FC
    Argentina
    Mar 10, 2023
    if someones dribbles, playmakes creates Chances AND also Scores Important goals why should someone who only is a Goalscorer be over him? lmao
     
  10. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    What freaking important goals did Zidane ever score in the World Cup from open play except in the 1998 final

    Is the World Cup a final or is it a tournament dude
     
  11. LaPulga22

    LaPulga22 Member

    Messi FC
    Argentina
    Mar 10, 2023
    is any of Zidane´s top 50?
     
  12. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    #12 carlito86, Apr 1, 2023
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2023
    I’ll give my list and contribute no further
    Attackers/midfielders

    Tier 1
    Diego Maradona 1986
    Eusébio 1966

    Tier 2
    Garrincha 1962
    Johan Cruyff 1974
    Raymond Kopa 1958


    Tier 3
    Didi 1958
    Pele 1958
    Pele 1970
    Kempes 1978
    Jairzinho 1970
    Hagi 1994
    Lato 1974
    Zico 1982
    Baggio 1994
    Rivaldo 2002
    Mbappe 2022
    James Rodriguez 2014



    Tier 4
    Messi 2014
    Robben 2014
    Stoichkov 1994
    Fontaine 1958
    Kocsis 1954
    Rossi 1982
    R9 2002
    R9 1998
    Mbappe 2018
    Brolin 1994
    Romario 1994
    Lothar matthaues 1990
    Messi 2022(with penalties)



    Tier 5
    Zidane 2006
    Pirlo 2006
    Sócrates 1982
    Gerson 1970
    Tostao 1970
    Gerd Müller 1970
    Schillachi 1990
    Paul gascoigne 1990
    Stojkovic 1990
    Maradona 1990
    Micheal laudrup 1986



    Tier 10
    Roger milla 1990
    Messi 2022(without penalties)
    Open play goals against Australia,Mexico and stupendous finish vs France....
     
  13. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    I'm not sure I agree about Milla Carlito tbh - I think he was better than Maradona in the 1990 World Cup edition actually (arguably at least - I know Maradona had his own moments, most notably the assist to Caniggia vs Brazil).

    On one hand he was 'only a sub', but in some ways it makes what he was able to do in limited game time even more notable I think (and it wasn't only the goals - his control and awareness was generally very good I think, and raising the level and hopes of Cameroon whenever he entered the pitch). In some ways he was closer to 'peak R9' in World Cup play than Ronaldo Nazario himself was in any World Cup I'd even suggest (not to say I categorically would rate Milla's 1990 World Cup over Ronaldo's in 1998 or 2002 all in all, but he was arguably closer in the way he played, in terms of solo play and taking on defences etc, to what might have been expected from Ronaldo if he had brought his very best to a World Cup).
     
  14. Gregoire1

    Gregoire1 Member

    Dec 4, 2020
    How can we compare Zidane minfield control (beautiful, creative, but still) with progressive dribbling, goals and effectiveness of R9? Its not comparable. Also gravity of R9 was tiers ahead.
     
  15. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    R9s progressive dribbling did not exist in the 2002 edition

    Still he doesn’t need it
    He just needs to fulfil his function to the highest possible degree which he did or at least did to a far higher degree than Zidane did at the World Cup

    That is Zidane who wasn’t top 3 dribbler,creator or scorer(from open play) in any of his world cups

    R9 was golden shoe winner in 2002
    The best goal scorer in a World Cup edition and better than any other goalscorer who competed in that edition
     
  16. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    How Fontaine gets so little credit is beyond me :rolleyes:
     
  17. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    #17 Al Gabiru, Apr 1, 2023
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2023
    S Tier: Maradona 86
    A Tier: Pelé 70, Cruyff 74,
    B Tier: Messi 22, Kempes 78, Pirlo 06, Didi 58, Garrincha 62, Jairzinho 70, Eusebio 66 etc

    Maradona 86 was the highest peak of his career and perhaps of a football player. Pelé probably played as much, but at his peak in Santos in 62-63 or Messi in Barcelona 2011-12. In clubs, not in a world cup.

    Cruyff was a revolutionary. Electric and dynamic football. Much faster than people were used to. And Cruyff is still the one who created the most chances in a single World Cup.

    I would put Pelé 70 next to him. Some tend to look down on Pelé '70 for being alongside other stars. But the king was above all. It is also the individual performance with the highest number of assists and anthological moments, such as the almost goal from midfield against Czechoslovakia and the dribble over Mazurkiewski. If Messi does a dribble like that in 2022, the internet would crash. In addition, Pelé dominated the final, against Italy, which even Maradona didn't do in 1986. Pelé showed a king's repertoire (head goal, left, right, assist, goal in the final). Pele had it all.

    On the third shelf, I would put a lot of players, including Messi, who have had great performances. Messi was very decisive, but he also scored a lot of goals from the penalty spot, which takes away some of his shine. I think a lot of players could be placed on the third shelf.
     
  18. LaPulga22

    LaPulga22 Member

    Messi FC
    Argentina
    Mar 10, 2023
    I get that Messi 22 wasn´t a dribbling and Goal scoring threat over 90 Minutes in every Game in that WC but to put in the same Tier as Pirlo 2006 is a bit too much he did wayyyyy more than Pirlo from an Eye Test Perspective esspecially
     
  19. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
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    You literally on this very forum said to me on my comment (after Mbappes perofrmance vs Poland) that Mbappe is having an all time great wc performance that thats a ridiculous statement. Poland is trash blablabla..

    3 games latter, 3 most important games latter (vs England, vs Morroco and vs Argentina) and ONLY 1 direct non pen goal involvment latter (goal vs Argentina) you are putting Mbappe in top 17 best performances of all time while arguing Messi is trash without penalties (who btw produced one of the best passes in wc history vs Netherlands, one of the best assists in general vs Croatia and hot prospect Gvardiol and scored a non pen goal vs France in final... and we all know you love tap ins because you praise Cristianos goalscoring record in ucl KO stage)

    If bitterness and hatred could be eaten, you, my man, would solve world hunger.

    The funniest thing is that you know you are completely wrong but you keep doubling down on your idiocy.. its amusing.
     
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  20. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    Messis pass vs Holland was NOT one of the best in history
    Not even close LMAO

    Not even one of the best in World Cup history
    Not even one of the best in World Cup KO stage history

    This is what you call a flipping great pass
    Rivaldo assisting Ronaldo vs Holland in the 1998 World Cup semi final


    That key pass/assist vs Croatia I’ve seen Cristiano Ronaldo 100 times btw
    Beating one player on the byline and playing a simple pass or cross was his bread and butter...for years

    Just not vs Croatia

    I don’t rate Messi for things that you rate him for neither do I rate Cristiano as being a great player for reasons you rate him a great player
     
  21. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
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    You clearly never stepped on a football pitch if you dont rate that Messi pass highly.
     
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  22. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    #22 carlito86, Apr 1, 2023
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2023
    I rate Messis pass vs Holland highly In the way I rate a great piece of inventive skill that I come across every other day


    It was not one of the best passes in football history
    Not close to that not even remotely close to that

    That’s what you said so I’m addressing that



    maradonas assist vs Brazil in actual fact is also a better World Cup KO stage assist then the one of Messi
     
  23. LaPulga22

    LaPulga22 Member

    Messi FC
    Argentina
    Mar 10, 2023
    he called this campaign here basically trash we should not take him seriously when it comes to messi.

     
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  24. Sexy Beast

    Sexy Beast Member+

    Dinamo Zagreb
    Croatia
    Aug 11, 2016
    Zagreb
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    You clearly dont think of it highly enough.

    Let me clarify. I said one of the best in wc history. What I didnt say is that it is top 2 or top 5 or top 20 pass in history of wc football. Such arbitrary conditions (top X) are pointless in defining such ingenious piece of play.. it is one of the best by virtue of what it is regardless of how many great passes there are in wc history and how it might compare to others.

    You clearly dont understand how good it is.

    It is a pass that shouldnt be possible. Unlike Rivaldos example, Netherlands defensive structure is perfect. It doesnt come from a counter attack or chaotic situation. None of Netherlands' players made a slightest mistake in defending. Ake is pressing Messi perfectly fine. Messi saw Molinas run and saw the passing opportunity. He set it up with dribbling and fients and made a pass with perfect timing (+ through the legs of Ake) with perfect passing line and with perfect power behind the pass.

    To see that through ball opportunity is an exceptional vision in of itself, but to set it up like that is amazing and to perfectly execute the idea is absolutely astonishing.

    The margin of error behind timing, passing line and power of the pass is insanely small. Slightly off and it is blocked by Ake or intercepted by Van Dijk or some other defender or it is too behind Molina to successfully control it. Slightly too much power and Molina cant reach the pass. Combining all of that makes this an ingenious piece of play, unstoppable pass on the biggest stage in the world with all the pressure in the world.

    "Come across every day".. sure. Yes.

     
  25. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    Rivaldo probably has 50% claim to Ronaldos 15 World Cup goals

    Brilliant pre assist on R9s goal vs China
     

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