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  1. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2018
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  2. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed. His office is across the hall from the Minister of Silly Walks.
     
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  3. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    the game of football is hurtling toward self-destruction.

    (oh, yeah -- good morning, BTW :) )

    this is a superb article by the excellent Miguel Delaney, talking about how greed - clubs' greed, owners' greed, player greed, FIFA, UEFa - is eating the game alive. a bit of a long read but it pulls together a lot of the influencing factors we see today, and how its end point is very predictable and - at this point - possibly unavoidable.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-finance-money-uefa-fifa-b2305664.html
    Greed has brought football to the brink of implosion – now the entire structure could collapse

    ==
    within that piece is a 2010 article by Delaney that provides a great background / alarm bell to how we got to this point. an even longer read, but again very informative
    eg In 1983, the UK FA had regulation called Rule 34 which prohibited directors from being paid and restricted dividends to shareholders. This was to acknowledge and support the fact that clubs were a social institution. But when Spurs wanted to become the first club to float on the stock market, the FA allowed them to form a holding company to evade Rule 34, and then then by the mid-80s changed gate-money distribution, which saw home teams receive bigger proportions, inherently loading more towards the biggest clubs.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...l-man-utd-barcelona-real-madrid-a9330431.html
    How modern football became broken beyond repair
     
  4. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
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  5. speker

    speker Member+

    May 16, 2009
    Canada
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    The Canada vs Honduras game is being shown on Fubo if any Canucks are interested in watching.
     
  6. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    The Premier League Hall of Fame was launched in 2021, with players who featured in the division since its inception and are now retired eligible for consideration, and Liverpool icon Steven Gerrard was among the first to receive the honour that year.

    Included in the new shortlist of 15 candidates – from which three will be inducted – are former Reds strikers Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen.

    Fans can have their say on the 2023 inductees via a vote on the Premier League website, with the deadline 6pm BST on Monday April 10.

    The three winners will be decided by a combination of the votes of the public, the Premier League Awards Panel and previous Hall of Fame inductees.
     
  7. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    PL: Have all the horses bolted?

    World: Yes.

    PL: Great, let's slam that stable door shut!
     
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  9. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    FYP

     
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  10. Wingtips1

    Wingtips1 Member+

    May 3, 2004
    02116
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    So dumb.

    Why does the UK get to tell the Qatari's or Saudi's their stance on homosexuality is an 'abuse?'

    Maybe no Brits should be allowed to own clubs because the UK government has never paid reparations to any of its black and browns colonies while also intentionally keeping its minority population out of Parliament.

    Should someone from the US be banned if they gave money to a Republican?

    Where does the moral posturing end?
     
  11. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    What really is dumb is the Saudis claiming Newcastle is not controlled by state institutions. At the same time in the US, the same parties are claiming immunity from prosecution because, you know, they are state institutions. :ROFLMAO:
     
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  12. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because it is an abuse of human rights and if they want to own British clubs bad enough, they'll change.
     
  14. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Mexico’s football federation have launched an investigation after footage emerged of a referee appearing to knee a player in the groin during America’s Liga MX match against Leon on Saturday.

    video here:
    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-knee-groin-of-player-who-demanded-var-review

    I don't know why they say "appearing" to knee him - he kneed him! :)

    PL refs should learn from this next time MU's Fernandez is in their face.
     
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  15. Wingtips1

    Wingtips1 Member+

    May 3, 2004
    02116
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    UEFA just needs to outlaw clubs sending monies to agents.
    They can take 10% of their players salaries, signing bonuses, endorsements, etc. as is standard over here.
    Such a sh*t system where clubs have to pay agents in order to transfer their players.
     
  16. Wingtips1

    Wingtips1 Member+

    May 3, 2004
    02116
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    But the racist Brits can keep on doing as they do? Their 'human rights abuses' are fine because it 'only involves the darkies' but the world is supposed to bend over at every chance for the gays?
     
  17. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Whataboutism is such a great way to deflect.
     
  18. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    you're contradicting yourself ....

    anyhow, throwing purity tests in all directions doesn't accomplish much does it - no country / government / whatever is pure - never have been, never will be. especially when ppl keep looking further and further into the past to point shit out.

    to your point:
    who TF said their abuses are OK? and anyway what is your solution -- everyone just shut up until every group claiming grievances is satisfied (like that'll ever happen) before paying attention to current injustices?
     
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  19. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    But Sam. Whatabout Hillary's emails?
     
  20. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Twelve PL managers have been sacked this season. 20 clubs, 12 managers sacked.

    wow.
     
  21. newterp

    newterp Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    keep in mind - if some of our absolutely ********ing knuckle dragging supporters and glory-hunters had their way - Klopp would be fired too.
     
  22. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Think you accidentally added "supporters" there?
     
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  23. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Doucoure got straight red last night for putting his hands on Kane's face. deffo a red, but Kane is getting a lot of criticism for the way he reacted.

    seems like Carragher and Neville got into it after the game. I've highlighted a few comments from here ... which I find bloody disgraceful. wtf is the game coming to? ex-players praising cheating!!

    Carragher:
    I’ve got no problem with people diving or trying to win a penalty. The thing I really don’t like is players trying to get fellow professionals booked or sent off. I’ve got no problem with someone going down, winning a free-kick, jumping back up and getting on their feet.”

    Neville:
    Neville stressed that most players would understand Kane’s reaction, and thinks the Spurs players would have congratulated the striker for his gamesmanship. “As a player, if we’re going in our dressing rooms we’re going, ‘Harry, well done, you got him sent off’. Harry Kane’s gone down, whether he should have or not, it’s to make sure that Doucoure does get sent off.
    It’s a part of the game people don’t like but in our dressing room, if our forward [does that] we are there to win leagues, win games. He does dive, he does go to ground and he’s clever"


    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...rton-doucoure-dive-cheat-injury-b2313707.html
     
  24. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't say that. You should read my book.
     
  25. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    FWIW ... difficulty of remaining games, for each team. ours look ok BUT Spurs, MU and Brighton all have it easier.


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