NSR: CHICAGO Political Thread ***HIGHLY TOXIC - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK***

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  1. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Because
    1) Elizabeth Warren understands the danger Vallas possesses and how awful he is
    2) Elizabeth Warren is awesome.

    It is nothing like one soccer star tweeting about a player's position on another team.
    Not all similies are good similies.
     
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  2. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Elizabeth got involved because she knows Chicago has more influence in the country than many states.
     
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  3. Mac97

    Mac97 Member+

    Jul 15, 2014
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    She can also spot a lying liar, and the lies he tells.
     
  4. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    “He was strongest in majority-white precincts on the city’s Southwest and Northwest sides and also in the Loop and surrounding communities. In all, Vallas finished first in more than 350 majority-white precincts throughout the city.”

    Racists.

    Chicagoans should start talking about why they’re so afraid in the first place
    White voters can’t actually be afraid of violent crime because data shows they don’t really experience violent crime.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/column...-mayoral-race-white-voters-column-alden-loury
     
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  5. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
    Chicago
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    Chicago Fire
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    United States
    The bolded parts. BINGO.
     
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  6. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    while I agree with the spirit of the op ed, it is more than a bit ironic that a mainstream paper is running this story when the reason the perception of crime is so great is heavily attributable to the mainstream legacy media in the first place
     
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  7. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
    Chicago
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    Chicago Fire
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    United States
    Also a bingo. There was a story the other day about some of Vallas’ “questionable” Facebook likes from over the past couple of years and it’s like- either they knew about this shit and held onto it until after they got their desired runoff matchup, or they just never even bothered to look at the candidates’ social media accounts (which in 2023 is kind of important) until now. Infuriating.
     
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  8. Mac97

    Mac97 Member+

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    To repeat a quote from a post a few weeks ago:

    "Racism does not require a racist".

    Though there are very frequently self aware racists conciously spreading the cancer to honestly well intentioned people who do yet have the tools to recognize their own jacked up bias'.
     
  9. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    This is true, but no one around here has that excuse.
     
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  10. Mac97

    Mac97 Member+

    Jul 15, 2014
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    Getting our fellow Euros to get to where they can handle the notion that they/we do racist things without any intent, and must then start the journey of stopping doing that mess is a life long task and ongoing test of patience for each of us.
    Sucks, but there it is.
     
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  11. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    https://medium.com/@joao.black/errico-malatesta-mussolini-in-power-1922-2d1007d596d8

    “Since there is never a shortage of those who allow themselves to be dazzled by the appearances of strength and always have a kind of secret admiration for the victors, there are also subversives who say that “the fascists taught us how to make a revolution”.

    No, the fascists haven’t taught us anything at all.

    They made the revolution (if you want to call it a revolution) with the permission and in the service of their superiors.”
     
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  12. Martininho

    Martininho Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Chicago
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    Not just Euros, it's a human thing. The ancient, reptilian part of our brain still triggers a primal fear of "the other" and must be countered by the higher functioning parts in the noggin...that for many of us include untangling old wiring. My folks gave me a boost, recognizing that they were raised to casually accept prejudices, and that they didn't want those to continue in us. Soccer played a HUUUUUGE role in that, for which I'm eternally grateful.
     
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  13. Mac97

    Mac97 Member+

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    Analogy 101:
    It is a human thing, but in the U.S. it's a "white" disease, that screws over most everyone and the European-Americans have to fix it/themselves for everyone to get "better".

    An alcoholic screws over themselves, their loved ones, friends and co-workers, etc. As messed up as the spouse and children can be by the alcoholic, they can't fix/heal the situation. Only the alcoholic can stop the progression of the disease and work the process to undo the damage.


    Oh yeah, Paul Vallas lies ALOT...
    and the EPL sucks.
     
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  14. Fuegofan

    Fuegofan Member+

    Feb 17, 2001
    Chicago
    39Today at 12:31 PMNEW

    Let’s be clear, the dismantling of communities without an immediate replacement was a racist policy designed to drive poor black people out of the city, like with Rahm and the school closings.
    Absolutely.
    Again, it was the absolute lack of opportunity that killed all of these communities.
    Warehousing people without jobs, opportunities or resources was racist and cruel.
    Breaking up those communities without any plan or resources was racist and cruel.

    Don't get me started on school closings! Or, worse, charter schools.

    On a related front, in the far northwest neighborhood where I have been this weekend, Vallas signs out number Johnson signs 10-1.
    Does not bode well, but (as always) turn out is key.


    Moving, rather clumsily, to the politics thread.

    I agree in large part. But I think it's not so much the warehousing that was the problem as much as it was that the "warehouses" weren't maintained and supported. Once "warehoused", the City turned its backs on those communities and let them decay and rot. If you look at similar projects where resources are spent on maintenance, mental health, and job training, it's clear that they don't have to become hell holes.

    And I agree that, unfortunately, the indications are that Vallas will win. Had Johnson been able to get the coalition that took Lightfoot to victory, he would have had a chance. But he doesn't have a majority of anyone except true liberals.
     
  15. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I thought about doing that, but I am on my phone.

    Thanks for the bump to the appropriate thread!

    Totally agree about the lack of maintenance. I made that point in an earlier post.
     
  16. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Yes, my point about warehousing was that once you set the people aside you can then more easily neglect them. Which is what happened.
     
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  17. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    We have an Indictment.

    Arraignment likely on Tuesday.
     
  18. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    This will just distract from racist libertarians who no longer need racist Trump.
     
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  19. Mac97

    Mac97 Member+

    Jul 15, 2014
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    While believing himself to be the center of the universe, it will be quite some time, if ever, before he realizes that he has served their purpose and they just don't need him anymore.
     
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  20. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    as much as I want to see Trump go down, hush money payments are pretty meh to me

    I hope this is just the first of many, much worse indictments
     
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  21. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    #5721 xtomx, Mar 31, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2023
    I apologize for the long post, but I wanted to be clear.
    We will have to wait to see what the indictments are, but 34 felony charges (as reported by the [failing] New York Times), is not "meh."

    This probably has NOTHING to do with the hush money payments per se. That is gross and distasteful but probably not illegal.

    This probably has EVERYTHING to do with how the hush money was paid, the falsifying business records to cover up the hush money payments.

    Trump is, supposedly, a billionaire and while most billionaires do not have their billions readily at hand (and, remember, we are not allowed to disparage billionaires on the Chicago Fire boards! :whistling:), he should have $130,000 lying around.

    He should not have had to go to the extraordinary lengths (spurred on by Cohen, by the way), to pay the 130k, by having Cohen take out a HELOC and them pay him back by trying to make it look like "legal fees" SO it would not get out two weeks before the election.

    I anticipate several of the charge will involve business records and conspiracy to falsify business records. Again, the evidence of the conspiracy is almost incontrovertible, since Cohen has testified in court, before Congress and (apparently 20 times) before the Grand Jury.
    Tr*mp has been identified as "Individual One" in the Cohen case.

    There will likely be federal charges that stem from this, as what Cohen did was a clear campaign violation (which is why he went to jail).

    You prosecute the case you have, not the case you wish you had.

    Also, I fully anticipate that this will spur the prosecutor in Georgia and, possibly, the special prosecutor in the January 6th case to move forward.


    By the way, while the January 6th case is by far the most "serious" (from a democracy standpoint), it is also by far the most difficult to prosecute. There is little evidence that Tr*mp was actually involved in planning the details of the insurrection, which is to be expected, as he has never been involved in the details of, well, anything. It is how he stayed out of jail for the past 40 years.

    As for the Georgia case, election interference is completely illegal, but he interfered after the election and was completely rebuffed in those attempts.
    Of course, if Rod Blagojevich could be sent up the river for a decade for attempting to "sell" a Senate seat (and doing a really crappy with those attempts), Trump should be indicted for attempting to influence the Georgia SoS to "find" 11,700 votes.
     
  22. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    that post makes me optimistic for some real meat to the charges
     
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  23. Mac97

    Mac97 Member+

    Jul 15, 2014
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    My wife worked with Vallas when he came in as budget director and then head of CPS. The first word she uses to describe him is...

     
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  24. Mac97

    Mac97 Member+

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    #5724 Mac97, Mar 31, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2023
    Case in point: Vallas gets huffy when asked about Betsy DeVoe giving him money. He sez he has taken no money from her. Not from a check with her name on it perhaps,, but from a foundation she finances that pushes charter schools? Well, Betsey didn't sign the check her self, so, ya know, that's not taking money from her, now is it?
     
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  25. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    DeVos?!?!?!?
    (Not surprised at all)

    There are not enough Ruiz' to f*ck him.

    You bastards better defeat him!
     
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