Next Spurs Manager

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  1. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Harry Winks? He is not versatile enough. He can play in a 3-man midfield with 2 holding midfielders behind him, where he is freed up to support the strikers. In a 2-man midfield, he is useless as he has no tactical awareness and is weak in the challenge.

    We have enough midfielders who can do what Winks does AND play in a 2-man midfield. He should have been sold a long time ago.
     
  2. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    What Golera said.
    I also think he looked good (as did every single one of our midfielders) when playing alongside Dembele.
    Our midfield has never recovered from Moussa's exit.
     
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  3. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    Wow, thank you Golara. Those tactics are way too deep for me which is why I don't communicate them on here. But I get your point.
     
  4. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    There are a couple of games (of many) that stand out to me.

    October 18, 2020. We are leading West Ham 3-0 when Winksy comes on in the 73rd minute. The game ends 3-3 as their midfield overruns us in the final quarter of an hour and Winks is at fault for the equalizing goal as he fails to clear the danger at the edge of our box.

    And last season vs Leicester, we win 3-1, but he is at fault for their late consolation as the Leicester attackers play around him as if he were a training cone.

    I also remember we had a horrendous record when he and Sissoko partnered in central midfield.
     
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  5. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    I salute your Tottenham knowledge Golara, very impressive.
     
  6. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Winks is good enough to play for some EPL teams, but not the team Spurs aspire to be. Of the players out on loan, I want Spence, Udogie and Gil to come back. Not interested in the rest.
     
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  7. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Really? Spence is very hit and miss in France. Definitely one for staying out on loan and developing.
    Personally, I'd include Lo Celso along with Gil and Udogie. I'm not sure how we'd play with Gil though. He's such a throwback and is the kind of player who'd do well with 2 water carriers
     
  8. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    Interesting. I didn't realise that the situation was irrevocable. Good thing he's gone then. Now, I hope all at Spurs can put it behind them and concentrate on winning enough matches to claim our only consolation of this season which is top four. All we need is a win or two and there are three very winnable matches approaching.
     
  9. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    That's what people were saying before the games against Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield Utd and Southampton, and we know how well that turned out.

    We have been one or two wins away from doing something special for over 15 years now.
     
  10. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    If Winks was good enough to play for another PL team, he would have been sold a long time ago. Even looking at some of the bottom feeders in the division, I don't see him getting into their sides.
     
  11. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    Think positively Golara................I do.
     
  12. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    And before that we were dozens of wins away from doing something special. Never in Europe ... winning 13 or 14 League games a year ... we were so shit.
     
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  13. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    :D Think about what you're saying, there, mate. That implies that Levy would accept any reasonable offer. Plenty of clubs expressed interest in Winks - including Man City - but Levy rebuffed them all as insufficient.
     
  14. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    God bless you, because it will take some form of divine intervention to save us.

    Like I have said many times before, I am an evidence-based person and I have seen nothing in the last 22 years from Levy that we can win anything.

    I predicted after we beat City last season, we would lose the next game at Burnley.

    I predicted after we beat City this season that we would lose to Leicester.

    And I have seen it time and again over the last God knows how many seasons.
     
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  15. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
  16. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    Might be an incentive for certain coaches with strength of character. Might relish a challenge. Get a few wins and we won't be a laughing stock.
     
  17. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    I think Graham Potter will be available soon
     
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  18. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    With all the turmoil at Tottenham it’s easy to forget it’s considerably worse at Chelsea and not far off in Liverpool.
     
  19. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    Best he goes to Leicester.
     
  20. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    I know this won't go down well but I'd consider Unai Emeri. He's doing excellently at Villa and I think he was treated harshly by Arsenal.
     
  21. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    I like Emery, and I wouldn't hate that having him at ours, but leaving Villa this early in his tenure would be unwise. It would actually make me want him less, if that makes sense.

    And while I wouldn't be put off by the Arsenal thing, I suspect at the first downturn in form, he'd start getting heat that wouldn't do anyone any good. So I'm thinking probably not the best choice at the moment - and certainly not with Nagelsmann and Poch out there. I do like him, though.
     
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  22. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    All managers get the heat during a downturn in form. I used to "Wenger out" on Gunner websites. Football supporters are very fickle, one moment they're up, next they're down and so on.
     
  23. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Read an article today saying that Nagelsmann is telling folks around him that he's skeptical of the wisdom of taking the Spurs job.

    If so, I can't blame him. But, damn, the prospects of us casting about for someone who 'might' want the job does not appeal. Like, at all. We never should have brought Conte in after he passed on us the first time (and I'd guess he'd admit that he shouldn't have taken it, either). If someone can't be convinced to take it on if we don't qualify for the CL, then why should ... you know what, I'm not gonna flesh out this point. I've things to do.

    Just get Poch in, already. He wants it. He knows he can work with Baldy. He plays good stuff (or at least tries to - I suspect we'd struggle early). He's quality. I love him. Any two of those are reason enough.
     
  24. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    For sure. But the heat, like the definition of 'downturn', is relative. I'm guessing Emery would get more heat for less downturn than most, given his CV - and regardless of how he handled it.

    I mean, how the manager handles it is a big deal. Conte would still be here - and have strong support, despite criticism from some - had he handled the downturns differently. If he'd said, 'we have to get our heads down and iron out these problems, and we will', loads would still be on board. But from the first, every missed hurdle was a crisis in confidence. 'Maybe I'm not the person for this job', and shite like that. Eff me, it makes my piss boil just thinking about his lack of commitment to his job and to this club. And on, what? 15m? And now he's worried about what this job has done to his reputation. Well, yeah, he should be. But I digress ...
     
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