Next Spurs Manager

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by jumhed, Mar 12, 2023.

  1. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    It's true.
     
  2. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    I have zero confidence in Levy to get the right man in.
     
  3. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    I have zero confidence that even if he does much of anything will change. Conte was “the right man” and almost everyone was elated.
     
  4. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    He's tried two of the top names in football and there aren't many others in the top sphere available. He can only continue trying.
     
  5. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Agreed. Given time to plan and strategize, he gets it wrong over and over again. His primary successes were with Jol and Redknapp, two managers who were stopgaps, put in their positions when Levy specifically did not have time to plan it all out.

    There are reasons to which I attribute this dynamic, but it's not really worth taking the time to spell it all out; besides, they may be dead wrong. But what isn't wrong - and the salient point - is that the single exception was Mauricio Pochettino. He worked quite well with Daniel Levy. I know how it all ended (and so does he), but they maintained a strong relationship, and Poch appears very willing to work with him again. We know he is able to work with him - and flourish. And that is the biggest question mark for any manager at Spurs, to my thinking, 'can he work with (under) Levy?'. This is why Pochettino's my first choice.* Because most can't - and I'd just as soon not roll those dice when there's a damn good option that doesn't require it.


    *ok ... there's also the man-love ... and the beautiful football ... but it's mostly that.
     
  6. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Levy lucked out with Pochettino - his first choices, De Boer and Van Gaal fell through (thank God), and Pochettino was the Nuno of 2014 (except he was good).
     
  7. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    I remember all the speculation about Van Gaal and De Boer, and all the fans weighing in on which they'd prefer, but I don't remember any confirmation that we'd actually gone in for either. Given Levy's apparent preference for as big a name as he can get, it's certainly reasonable that he'd've preferred either (especially Van Gaal) to Southampton's gaffer.

    At least he got him, even if he lucked into it. Heady days, the Poch era.

    I read somewhere earlier that Brazil is in heavily for Ancelotti, and that if he can be pried out of Madrid, Pochettino is the man Real will want. And while Poch wants the Spurs job, he doesn't want to miss the opportunity to get the Madrid gig again. Apparently he didn't have a buyout clause in his first contract with us, so when they wanted him before, Levy shut it down with a simple 'no'. Long story short, it's Poch who's making us wait until Summer.

    Not sure that I put much stock in any of that, but it's another narrative, anyway.
     
  8. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    They had a verbal agreement with van Gaal but that fell through when David Moyes got the sack and van Gaal was offered the Man U job.
     
  9. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Daniel Levy + verbal agreement = :D:D:D:D:D
     
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  10. Lazy Assed Assassin

    Jul 21, 2015
    Levy has lucked in to pretty much all of our on the pitch success. Imagine the last 15 years had Bale and Kane not evolved in to world class players. Levy didn’t buy a scrawny left-back from Southampton thinking he’d turn in to the monster attacker he did. Nor did anyone expect a 21 year-old with no goals to his name for Spurs to go on to be the club’s all time leading scorer.
     
  11. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    C'mon, fellas ... you can't give him shit for literally everything that goes wrong and then deny him any credit when things go right. :D
     
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  12. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Spurs are about the right position in the last 10yrs if we're going by money spent.
     
  13. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    He may or may not have lucked out with Poch because maybe he knows the history between the two clubs. I honestly can't remember a bad signing from Saints to Spurs going right back to Martin Chivers.
     
  14. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Dean Richards* (RIP).


    *pardon the pedantry.
     
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  15. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    I prefer to look at the facts.

    Since the beginning of the 2019-20 season, we have had 6 managers (including caretakers), and none of them has lasted a whole season.

    That is all on Levy.
     
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  16. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    A bit selectively, though. ;)
     
  17. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Club:
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    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I normally hate international breaks. I quite liked this one.
     
  18. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Six managers in 4 years is a pretty big selection.

    How about Jacques Santini? Gone after 13 games. Levy.

    Juande Ramos? Levy moved heaven and earth to get him out of Sevilla, Didn't last a year at the club. Levy.

    AVB. One season and 17 games. Levy.

    Tim Sherwood. Levy.

    I think we see a pattern emerging here.
     
  19. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    The only recent manager who was actually bad was Nuno. The others (except Poch) just played bad football.
    It's a miracle we managed to finish in good positions playing defensive football with Sanchez, Aurier, Reguillon, Dier, Davies, Emerson, etc as defenders.
     
  20. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Now that Conte is gone and stories are starting to filter out, it appears his problems (bad relationships) were more with the players than with Levy and the board. From what I've read, I can understand how some players weren't motivated to give 100% for the guy.
     
  21. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    Shouldn't they be giving 100% to the club though, regardless of their relationship with the coach?
     
  22. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    In an ideal world, yes. But if the manager does things like
    1) scheduling training at random times on short notice
    2) repeating the same drills in training, to the point where players get bored
    3) telling new players (via press conference) that they aren't wanted and won't be playing
    4) giving a player a fitness test to see if he will start then, after the player passes the test, not starting them
    5) not giving young players like Gil and Spence any playing time, even at the very end of matches
    6) training hard on the morning of a match
    7) constantly complaining in press conferences that the players aren't good enough,
    then it's no surprise if discontent spreads and players don't give their all.

    Every manager is going to do some things that are unpopular with the players (I assume), but it's remarkable how quickly they went from being happy Conte came to being happy that he's gone.
     
  23. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Buck stops with the manager and they have to stand or fall based on their decision making.
    As has been mentioned previously, Spurs are at the level they should be for money spent.
    We've still got some good players out on loan and the right coach could recall and get a tune out of them (not you, Winks).
     
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  24. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    Points taken but the players should remember who's paying the and it's not the coach. They too have a responsibility.
     
  25. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    I'm based in Geneva and travel around Europe and am often on the move during the matches so I don't get to watch often or even listen. Mostly I get radio and on line reports after seeing the results, so, without my trying to sound ignorant please tell me what's not right about Harry Winks. Thank you.
     

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