I wouldn't be opposed to a Central American centric group and a Caribbean centric group Panama, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Suriname Haiti, Jamaica, Martinique, Curacao, Cuba, Grenada
With Canada deservedly downing Panama, their senior MNT will play in only their second-ever Concacaf Final... and their first against a Concacaf opponent
Eh, gotta drop that "1950 WC" asterisk on it: Canada did win the title, but winning a group rather than playing a Final per se
Still, it did came down to that last game and unlike the current WCQ - the winner was crowned champion of the region
I see there are NL editions scheduled for both 2023-24 and 24-25 seasons. Is it going to be a new thing or is it something extraordinary?
I mean, everything's going to be extraordinary in this cycle for Concacaf, with its North American contingent skipping WCQ... otherwise, I imagine that the 2023-24 edition would've been used to determine the 2024 Copa América and the 2025 Gold Cup participants.
It feels like CONCACAF has finally found a good balance with the Nations League with next year's format. Give your top 4 a bye so all they have to do is play 1 knockout round and then the semis/finals (4 matches). Everyone else can then have a system for competitive matchups where a substantial goal is achievable.
Here is an alternative Nations League Set up that I think would be a lot of fun in an attempt to make League A more elite League A - 9 teams (3 groups of 3) Leagues B and C - 16 teams (4 groups of 4) This would go back to the original number of NL games for US and Mexico (6) versus the current number (4) but it would make the groups more competitive and eliminate the waste of time matchups like the US versus Grenada Here is an example of what I am envisioning using the upcoming NL and current CONCACAF rankings LEAGUE A Group A - Mexico, Haiti, Jamaica Group B - US, Panama, Guatemala Group C - Canada, Costa Rica, Honduras These home/away round robin games take place in Sept, Oct, and Nov. US and Mexico can be given scheduling priority they have one of months completely off for friendlies since only 4 games need to be played. The 3 groups winners and the highest ranked 2nd place go to the March NL Finals as they do now Changing would be the 3 teams in last place along with the lowest ranked 2nd place play relegation playoffs in March. The 4 winners of League B would be paired off for March promotion playoffs with the 2 winners getting promoted. This will allow promotion and relegation of only 2 teams, further eliminating the possibility that a team like Grenada can get sneak in League A with a lucky draw. The same could be done for the 4 League C winners and the 4 League B last place teams in that March window. Something like this would make better use of the March window for other members of CONCACAF while making League A more elite and allowing the US and Mexico's wishes to be respected to avoid meaningless games against lower ranked team.
If we agree that that is the main interest of the bigger sides, then the current compromise is the best fit: your model looks promising until you run it through the 2nd edition when the relegated teams are replaced with the likes of... if you're lucky, Curaçao and Suriname. If you're not, Trinibago and Cuba --- As to the current reality, Concacaf has announced the schedule for the next edition: Concacaf announces schedule for 2023/24 Concacaf Nations League presented by Qatar Airways https://t.co/vYtTvxwfoR— Concacaf Nations League (@CNationsLeague) July 6, 2023 And its version of "Swiss system" scheduling is, to put it diplomatically, unique I shared some of my thoughts back when the rumors began to pour in after the draw: 2. If so, two questions immediately emerge:- What is the logic behind this?My best guess is that Concacaf has aimed to balance the STRENGTH of the schedule with the DIFFICULTY. That is, the schedule has the pots divided into levels:1: Pots 1 & 22: Pots 3 & 43: Pots 5 & 6— Paul Calixte (@paulcalixte1) May 18, 2023
Good analysis PC I'm looking at Honduras and thinking they got it made compared to Jamaica and Haiti. Honduras gets Cuba twice and Grenada. They win those, they finish top 2 regardless their game at Jamaica. Suriname also gets Grenada twice and Cuba. They win those and they finish 3-1 regardless of their game at home vs Haiti Now if Jamaica and Haiti split and both win all their games against the lower seeded teams, you have 4 teams at 3-1 with goal differential being the tiebreaker. If it comes down to goal differential you're gunna see teams advancing cause they got to run up the score against Grenada twice. I could very easily see Suriname, Honduras, Curaçao and El Salvador advancing with Panama, Guatemala, Haiti, and Jamaica getting left out due to Goal Differential
Yes... but in my late-night haze, I think I've finally understood a purpose behind it: if everyone gets on board, this starts to lay the groundwork for a future WCQ format that would allow the USA-MEX showdowns to continue. I'll elaborate a bit more here...
Looking over the upcoming NL schedule again, its amazing how the 3 seed in each pot in particular makes out like a bandit in comparison to the 2 seed. Group A #2 Guatemala has 2 games against Panama (H&A) plus Trinidad and Tobago away #3 El Salvador has 2 games against Martinique (H&A) plus Trinidad and Tobago home Group B #2 Jamaica has 2 games against Haiti (H&A) plus Grenada away #3 Honduras has 2 games against Cuba (H&A) plus Grenada home. With only two teams advancing and goal differential likely to play a role, how on earth is this set up fair to the #2s. It makes no sense at all to allow the 3 seeds to avoid the 1 line while the 2 seeds have to play the 1 line twice. If they are hell bent on this format they shouldn't try to force double headers between 1 v 2 and 3 v 4. Here is my suggestion 1 plays A4, H3, A6, H2 (Average Opponent Seed = 3.75) 2 plays H3, H4, A5, A1 (AOS = 3.25) 3 plays A2, A1, H4, H6 (AOS = 3.25) 4 plays H1, A2, A3, H5 (AOS = 2.75) 5 plays A6, H6, H2, A4 (AOS = 4.5) 6 plays H5, A5, H1, A3 (AOS = 3.5) With only the top 2 teams advancing, the top 2 seeds in each group are rewarded. Instead they are punished and the 3 seed is give the optimal path to advance. While the 5 and 6 seeds technically have an easier path, those seeds are generally much weaker than the top 4 and this sets them up for some measure of reasonable success and path forward. Looking at it with the upcoming model here is what the results would yield GROUP A Panama - @Martinique, vs. El Salvador, @T&T, vs. Guatemala Guatemala - vs. El Salvador, vs. Martinique, @curacao, @Panama El Salvador - @Guatemala, @Panama, vs. Martinique, vs. T&T Martinique - vs. Panama, @Guatemala, @el Salvador, vs. Curacao Curacao - @T&T, vs. T&T, vs. Guatemala, @Martinique T&T - vs. Curacao, @curacao, vs. Panama, @el Salvador GROUP B Haiti - @Cuba, vs. Honduras, @Grenada, vs. Jamaica Jamaica - vs. Honduras, vs. Cuba, @Suriname, @haiti Honduras - @jamaica, @haiti, vs. Cuba, vs. Grenada Cuba - vs. Haiti, @jamaica, @Honduras, vs. Suriname Suriname - @Grenada, vs. Grenada, vs. Jamaica, @Cuba Grenada - vs. Suriname, @Suriname, vs. Haiti, @Honduras