No longer a Barça lounger: Sergiño Dest at PSV (olf FC Barcelona)

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by ChuckMe92, Oct 24, 2016.

  1. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Milan in fairness did give Dest every opportunity to lock down a spot and his lack of awareness defensively cost him... and I like Dest and think he still has a lot of potential and a high upside but as a Milan fan have to be honest, he made himself unplayable.

    Not the end of the world. Just has to take a step back. Was happy to see him get a shot at Milan, but I'm hindsight going to a place like Villareal may have been better for him. The expectations at Milan just made it that if he was bad the leash would be much shorter
     
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  2. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Did he start more than twice? Granted, they're not obligated to give him more run than that if they think it's not in their interest, but "every opportunity?" Seems like he was written off pretty quickly, with a bunch of sub appearances in less than ideal situations.
     
  3. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was the total scapegoat of that 4-0 debacle against Lazio. They got shredded across the board on D but Dest was crucified by the announcers/media. And he never appeared for Milan again.
     
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  4. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You think the manager is influenced by TV announcers?

    the coach also sees the guy in training weekly and I doubt he’s proving himself to be capable of defending there either.
     
  5. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You think head coaches don't care about media perceptions? I think some of them do... especially the ones at top clubs that are struggling. At the same time I am also sure that it isn't the only factor... or even a main factor. At any rate, Dest was given a short window of time (8 appearances) to prove himself and was found wanting. Not even sure where he goes from here.
     
  6. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    It's not the fans or the announcers, but the fact that he came on loan from Barcelona, at the last minute, and the manager and front office never really bought in (to Dest, as a loan-to-purchase option). Presumably, if Dest played lights out from the start, instead of getting injured (while already receiving limited playing time), Milan may have acted differently. As it was, Milan decided fairly early that Dest would be emergency cannon-fodder, and yes, a scapegoat, in at least that one instance.

    Most likely, Barcelona over-priced Dest. Almost certainly, Milan had seen enough of Dest before he came - at Barcelona and Ajax - to know, before they took him on loan, what we all know. Dest is a creative and skillful player, and a feisty, battling defender, but he is not and never was a stay-at-home, robust, defend-first defender. If that's what you want, get someone else.

    Let's make that certainly, not almost certainly. The whole world knows and knew. I would accept almost any argument from Milan fans, except unfair surprise.
     
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  7. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    He got injured then, that's why he didn't get to play, not because he was scapegoated.
     
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  8. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't believe you'd say that!It's so unfair!
     
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  9. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A feisty battling defender? Are you just saying that he tries hard? That’s not enough. He’s a very bad defender and we should stop making bigsoccer excuses for him.
     
  10. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Actually, he's a decent one v one defender. He's not a systemic defender, and he has an attacking mentality. He's definitely a battler - watch him in action sometime.
     
  11. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so you think I haven’t watched him in action? When he’s universally regarded as a poor defender by everyone not a biased yanks abroad fan, the only possible explanation is that I haven’t watched him play? Or I just share the same opinion that all his club coaches? The latter.

    He’s physically quite weak so he’s easily passed by attacking players with little bodying moves. He also isn’t a high IQ player so he gets caught out of position often.
     
  12. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    No, you watch him with a jaundiced eye, as many do, certainly as much as some of us view him with rose-colored glasses. Go read a few of Freisland's recent posts, and you'll see that several managers have thought very highly of him along the way, including, of course, our recent MNT manager(s).

    Let's see where Dest ends up next. I'm pretty confident the bottom has not dropped out of the Dest market.
     
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  13. nycfc919

    nycfc919 Member+

    Aug 17, 2015
    He actually is a solid 1v1 defender. He’s incredibly poor positionally is the problem — I was hoping it was a youthful thing and he’d have figured it out by now. He has not. Additionally, he’s a 0 in the air. His strengths are pace, good 1v1 defender, great 1v1 attacker, great ball skills.
     
  14. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    There are no guarantees he will figure it out either. I just made the observation that EPB now looks like the same player he was in Holland several years ago. Still makes the same errors and has the same weaknesses. I hope he does but you can‘t assume he will.
     
  15. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So your view is that anyone who does not share your inflated opinion about Dest has a “jaundiced eye” including many of his club managers? People can’t differ from your rosy assessment without being prejudiced or unfair? Many of us just don’t rate his defense and for good reasons. Poor positioning and lacks strength, easily beaten, gives up too many goals. To succeed he will need a special system that covers up his weaknesses.
     
  16. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Well he certainly had a jaundiced eye when it came to Berhalter. He has practice.
     
  17. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Ron Koeman has a bit of a footie pedigree. It is not impossible that he overvalues players now and again, but come on... How do people get such silly extreme reactions and positions that are clearly and verifiably silly.
     
  18. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I'd love to see him at a PSV or Ajax.
     
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  19. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Youtube can help with the latter.

     
  20. belyin

    belyin Member

    Jun 1, 2006
    And Koeman's Barcelona (and almost every other team he managed save the Dutch national team) was a disaster. Xavi decided he rather play a center back out of position than Dest as a RB, and he is going to win the league on the trot. Dest has some individual ability, but he hasn't learned his football.
     
  21. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Lol... regardless of how you rate Koeman or Dest, Ron objectively falls into any grouping of "all" his club coaches. There's no question Dest has plenty of learning to do, and there's no question he has tons of ability. How much he and his game will mature remains to be seen, but wholesale dismissals of him as a player are just hysterical.
     
  22. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good one
     
  23. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I read an analysis of Barcelona and it seems the left back is the wide player for them on that side (like Jedi is for the US) and they cover by sliding over all three backs. So, yes, the right back being a former CB is an advantage in that scheme and Dest is anything but a CB. Were the team set up where the right back attacked and the other defenders slid cover to cover he'd be a better fit.
     
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  24. Roblar

    Roblar Member

    Sep 15, 2000
    The 73072
    ...maybe why he almost seemed to look better at left back the few times he played there for Barcelona?
     
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  25. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Makes sense. It was an analysis on several big clubs and how they move players around to get a box midfield for defending. Each did it differently. Barcelona does it sort of reverse how the US did when GB started only instead of the left back going to midfield (al Adams) someone else moves into a mid spot. It's also a big reason attacking left backs didn't get good chances back then - they also weren't part time CB's rotating into a LCB.
     

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