Joseph "Joe" Scally at Borussia Monchengladbach

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  1. iad_22201

    iad_22201 Member+

    Jan 2, 2009
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a bit skeptical of this link. He's not an upgrade on Kenny Tete and his price tag is likely to be a little high for a backup.
     
  2. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    With our luck 3 Americans would definitely get it relegated.
     
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  3. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Definitely not an upgrade on Tete. I guess he could be a 2-way backup.
     
  4. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    I don’t think that seems high at all. He’s a solid bundesliga fullback at 20 years old. Even if he completely bombs in England, Fulham would have no problem finding a buyer in the Bundesliga for 6-8 million pounds.
     
  5. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seems low to me if anything. He is essentially a starter from a top league.
     
  6. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And he's still way too inconsistent. This would come 1-2 years too early. He has a somewhat functional environment and he plays a lot. That's all a youngster can dream off at this state of his career. Why risk that? It's bollocks.
     
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  7. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    Heck, If FFC really wants Scally, why just also sign Miles Robinson. Now that is a good back line.
     
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  8. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As of Nov. 2022, Scally was valued by Transfermarkt at 12 million euros and the rate of increase has been high.
    The above cited article about Fulham interest (Google link translated from German) suggests his value may have already exceeded the price point above which Gladbach cannot afford to refuse an offer.
     
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  9. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    He is considered one of their two most valuable (sellable) assets. Scally’s value can still grow.

    As posted above this is at least a year too early. If you watch him without US Nat team glasses on it is clear he needs to work on consistency and positional discipline. Common of course for a defender his age, but you don’t improve that by being thrown into the meat grinder and not playing matches as a young defender. A move now could be detrimental, and probably will be in every way other than his bank book IMO.
     
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  10. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Scally starts! Koln/Cologne (13th) hosting Borussia Monchengladbach (10th).

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Scally goes the distance in a scoreless draw, picking up a yellow in what sounds like a dismal mid-table affair I'm happy to have skipped.
     
  12. Scissorkick Collins

    Dec 30, 2009
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BMG hold on for the 0-0 draw away. Scally with a pretty shaky performance, along with the rest of the defense in my opinion, but went the full 90.

    However, the German announcers really singled him out for blame through most of the game. Early on they mentioned several times that the Köln gameplan was to overload his side and attack him specifically. They did and it was fairly effective, but BMG didn’t seem to do much to adjust or help him.

    A big issue was that Hofmann, the RW, kept dribbling into traffic and losing the ball in the midfield and when BMG had numbers and space on the counter, leaving Scally out of position and in space at times with 2 Köln attackers, once leading to a Scally yellow. However, the announcers mainly just attributed these breakdowns on Scally. They mentioned several times that they expected Scally to be subbed at half and expressed their surprise several times when he wasn’t.

    Again, I don’t disagree with the announcers’ general analysis of Scally, it just seemed odd how many times he was singled out without really pointing out other reasons for the breakdowns.

    As has been pointed out many times, Scally isn’t very quick and struggles with 1v1 defending.

    The good news is that his manager seems to have faith in him and he’s surviving (for the most part although it’s not always pretty) the trial by fire of playing in an overall weak defense.
     
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  13. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I've watched him a lot. BMG not such a good team. He does lack a little speed, but he does get targeted by clubs. Today's team had a very quick winger that they ran at Scally all day. The yellow saved a potential 3v2. As you said, they did nothing to change their tactic, but I think any more defense would have negated any hope of scoring. He's learning some valuable lessons. I think he is useful in attack, but they don't cover well when he gets in the final third. Then he gets more criticism from the announcers.
     
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  14. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    btw, stay in the BL for a few more years, Joe.
     
  15. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If a team overloads your side, isn't it incumbent on your teammates to dominate defensively where they actually have the numerical advantage? Which, it seems like they kinda did. They held the opponent to zero goals. If you allow a bunch of crosses playing 2 on 1, it's an optical eye-sore, but not inherently bad. It's to be expected. And you could argue a failed strategy on the opponent's part. I say this as someone who didn't watch the game, but countering the critique logically.
     
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  16. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    There was no scoring from either side. Scally was targeted on most attacks. The yellow was caused when he was forward. I may be wrong, but he made a pass to someone who did not complete his pass and the counter was on. And the announcers were calling for a sub at halftime which did not happen. Neither was there a change in tactics. All in all, our guy held his own in a 0-0 draw.
     
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  17. Scissorkick Collins

    Dec 30, 2009
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m not sure if you’re responding to my post or one after mine, which I largely agree with. And I’m not disagreeing with you either.

    To clarify my point, it’s that I found it odd that the announcers were so focused on criticizing Scally without (almost) any further analysis or context of the game situation(s). I would estimate conservatively that they mentioned Scally as the weakness in the BMG defense 10-12 times, which seemed to ignore much of what was happening in the game.

    I’m not particularly good at assessing tactics, but I would expect the announcers to be, or at least better than they were today. And while I’m at least somewhat biased in that I’m rooting for Scally, I can also see that there was a reason why Köln designed their gameplan the way they did. But as you point out, BMG did keep the clean-sheet on the road even if the whole D was shaky.

    And again, my larger point is that while Scally was shaky himself and has some weaknesses, the manager clearly has faith in him not only by playing him the full 90, but also asking him to cover for Hofmann who wasn’t very good offensively today and didn’t do much when he lost the ball in dangerous situations.
     
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  18. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Scally was pushing forward a lot in half one (did not see 2), and it looked Like BMG was playing with 3 in the back as Joe went forward. Most of BMG‘s best moves came through Scally. He laid in a nice cross and BMG forward was kicked by the defender an he went down. No contact on the ball. On any other day it could easily be given and announcers were surprised it wasn‘t.

    Most of the first half was played on Scally‘s side offensively and defensively it seemed. I think the announcers also said that at one point 70% of the play in general was on that side, which was unusual. Not 100% sure I hear that correctly but I am fairly certain.

    Joe‘s issue is what it has always been with regards to speed. When he gets going he ain‘t slow, but he does seem to lack that initial quickness, burst that many top players have. That may limit him with regards to ever going to a top, top club, but he does hang in there.
    As somone who has repeatedly pointed out his positional issues and burst, and gotten criticized for it because ya know, he is the next big hope and Berhalter sucks, I think he did a pretty good job this match considering the pressure on his side in half one. I only saw one poor lunge that led to a free kick around the box, and his straight up, positional defending, even during some helter skelter moments was better than it has been.
    I actually see improvement there, and I do think the announcers were a bit over the top. Yes, they came down the left, but the way BMG played and the way Joe pushed forward in half one it invited it of course!

    Honestly, last year he does not come out of this unscathed IMO. It was a tough derby match, if anyone knows the BMG/Koln history back in the 80‘s you will know just how big it was, and I think he did OK.

    Still, work to do, but Joe is a full fledged Bliga talent and will be for a long while. US Nat fans expectations are completely different and almost always way off base. IMO, unlike an EPB, who to me is the same player he was several years ago, I see improvement in Joe‘s play. He will get there. Tough position at that age on a team like that but stay in Bliga Joe. Play and get better. It is important.
     
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  19. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    I should say some of BMG‘s best moves came through Joe‘s side. Not most…not that they had many. BMG was pushing that way also and he played his part fairly well IMO.

    I also recall the announcers continually talk about all of BMG‘s talent and how they should be doing so much better. I found that misguided.
    Even though BMG‘s keeper was solid today they lost Summer to Bayern. Huge loss for that team. They lost Modeste up front. They have a bunch of good workmanlike guys now but that offensive can‘t scare anyone. They don‘t have speed threats, they aren‘t dynamic and have lost their number 9 and keeper. Hands down 2 of their best guys. They really have not replaced them. A solid workmanlike team but they belong exactly where they are from what I have seen. I have no idea why they think that team is really talented and is underperforming.
    Personally they look to be a team on the decline after making the CL KO rounds 3 or 4 years ago. Those days are long gone.
     
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  20. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Scally has the #1 on/off +/- on the team. https://fbref.com/en/squads/32f3ee20/Monchengladbach-Stats#stats_playing_time_20::20

    So scapegoating him, and saying if not for him being a liability, they'd be forces, is pretty damn silly. Either it's just an independent bad individual analysis, or another sample to reinforce these prejudices still take place.
     
  21. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    They are just trying to scare away any suitors for his services next year. I think he should stay right where he is anyway. More power to them.
     
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  22. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Well, the repetitive, BMG has so much quality I heard in half 2, doing work and listening but not watching, just made me shake my head.
    That is the epitome of a solid, pedestrian team, that won‘t put the fear into many defenses…..well maybe Bayerns :D.
    Too good to be pulled into the drop but nothing close to the quality needed to challenge top 6 or 7.

    They have done this on other broadcasts this year (BMG has so much quality) which makes me wonder what they are watching in the first place.

    Joe was under a lot of pressure. He pushed forward a lot. He had a lot of space to cover and in match like this, chances to make a lot of mistakes. Sure he looked sloppy at times, maybe shaky but he held. He wasn‘t pulled off the play when he would have been in the past.
    He instinctually covered his responsibility instead of standing nowhere. He chose a man and passed off men and grabbed others when things got a bit dicey. Only one eh foul. Showed a lot of growth. That wasn‘t happening much before. I think it was a performance that looked ragged, like BMG‘s D always tends to do, but had no major errors, or schoolboy plays we have seen in the past. Solid job and they are better with him on the field as duke pointed out. They have tried to replace him but they can‘t. Thumbs up.
     
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  23. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True but a move to the EPL and he should be more of less set for life with good money management. If I were him I’d take it.
     
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  24. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would they scare away suitors for a valuable asset that they hope to sell? Hoping to drive the price down?
     
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  25. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    . I, of course was being facetious, and I'm not in charge of anything but my damn self, but he is good on that team right now. No-one is going to make any decisions for JS, but JS. His price is set and he is talked about in trade rumors, but I think with more seasoning, he translates to a higher league easier and his price will be higher. Both of which are a win/win as his move will be easier and his bank will reflect that. That's all.
     
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