England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Dec 12, 2022.

  1. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    I don't think that Madueke will ever get in England seniors. His technique just isn't as good as a lot of the other options we have, especially against packed defences. Skipp and Ramsey will probably get in at some point by virtue of a lack of options. I really hope that Cole Palmer gets a loan next season as he looks fantastic at u21 level but isn't getting much game time at City.
     
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  2. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    There’s no agenda..

    Spain , for whatever reason , rested 8 players .. no idea why as they were all going back to their clubs .. not playing Brazil in a couple of days ..

    Apparently the new guy has moved up through the ranks and decided to see if they could move forward using the young players he’d played in the under 21’s and under 23’s ..

    Seems like it backfired as they got Scotland on a bad night ( for Spain) .


    Still crazy to omit Gavi arguably Spain and Barca’s best player form wise and who’s only about 18 and would fit into his ideal of a young vibrant team .
     
  3. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Double standards
     
  4. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Spain got lucky against Norway. Hardly vibrant. Yet England beat Italy away and cruise past Ukraine. Yet u don't think that's vibrant
     
  5. Harry Kane's on my mind

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 7, 2023
    Exaaactly, all those people who are made to hate Englands team for various reasons are the same ones who maintain that inferiority complex towards England amongst football fans (Mostly those who have adopted the stereotyping of "Them" being Hooligans) :ROFLMAO:

    I personally don't care if Spain lost with its 2nd string or 5th string!
    All i know is if you keep playing like that you wont be going to no Euro's!
     
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  6. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    I'm chuffed for Scotland really. It sets up our September meeting with them nicely. Also, anyone who beats Spain is alright by me. Give me the power play of an England, Germany, Holland or Denmark any day. The tactical tedium of the Spaniards just leaves me cold.
     
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  7. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Do you even know what vibrant means ?
     
  8. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Agreed .. the guy gambled bigtime and now he’ll probably have to eat an awful lot of humble pie ..
     
  9. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Erm yes
     
  10. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Looks like your perfect, attractive, scintillating Spanish football ballsed things up a bit there.
     
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  11. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I couldn't agree more! i find the Spanish tippy tappy dull as hell, always have! I'd rather watch the rough and tumble of a League 2 game than watch the Spanish pass it among themselves at the back for ten minutes at a time!
     
  12. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    Yeah even at their peak in the latter 00s and early 10s when they were all conquering I found their football tedious. People say it was only boring because teams parked the bus against them but that’s a load of nonsense. There have been dozens of great sides throughout history who have been given the same treatment but still scored loads of goals and entertained.

    Also, if they hadn’t/didn’t play so slowly, teams wouldn’t be able to get organised and they’d be able to exploit gaps quicker, get the opening goal sooner and then everything would become easier.
     
  13. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    It’s bewildering

    He made 8 changes .. and omitted Gavi who is arguably the most in form player in La Liga
     
  14. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    They had the best midfield in the world back then to do it. Xavi iniesta busquets silva alonso fabregas. Now they have a number of run of the mill midfielders, pedri aside, that can't play that way
     
  15. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This.
     
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  16. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    I agree, it really is time to start accentuating the positive. Could our in-game management be better? Absolutely. Can we improve in certain key positions? It's always been the case. But let's make no mistake, this England is a proper force in world football again. We can now compete technically with even the biggest Latin nations. We've got a tight club-like unit, something that used to be the major advantage of the smaller countries. Youth is on our side. And, unlike previous generations, we have good options on the bench in most positions. Seriously, what's there not to enjoy?:)
     
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  17. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    TitoTata's posts
     
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  18. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Is fireburn still banned?
     
  19. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    No, he was banned for that period during and just after the WC for him to ‘cool down’.
     
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  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I honestly thought I was still banned and haven’t attempted to log in since.
     
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  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #971 Fireburn47, Mar 31, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2023
    I found the performances against both Italy and Ukraine good enough but equally could have been better. Was quite disappointed that even at 2-0 against Ukraine with a few minutes to go he didn’t bring on Guehi for Maguire or Stones.

    I’m not sure Colwill will be involved in the summer. Will they weaken the under 21’s just to get him in the seniors? He can’t do both. Ditto Gibbs - White or Elliott. If they are lots of ‘injury’ related absences we could see first call ups to 1990’s born players instead.
     
  22. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Welcome back
     
  23. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    The England senior games are the week before the Euro's starts so in theory there's nothing stopping Colwill at least being with the main England squad for at least one of the games and then moving to the under 21 squad. You could cap Colwill in a pretty favourable game against Malta on on the 16th June and get him a couple of training sessions better preparing him for the September games, then move him to the under 21's who's first game is 22nd June.

    It happens relatively commonly with other international teams previously when the tournament aligns with senior fixtures, although I can never recall England doing it.

    Of course it really depends on how the senior staff view him. If he's seen as a good contender for a starting spot for the Euro's we should absolutely be trying to optimise his England career by getting him in ASAP and coupling it with tournament experience with the under 21's, if he's just seen as squad potential for next summer there's probably little point.
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I would be surprised if they do it like that. I can see Southgate saying he would have picked him but feels it would be unfair on the under 21’s chances to have him miss training with them.
     
  25. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Yeah I'd be surprised, it'd be a shame though. We're usually pretty risk averse with young players coming into the squad, and usually they're not capped on the first call up unless its a relatively easy game so if we don't cap him this summer, difficult to see him being thrown into the Ukraine qualifier in September based on previous history, by which point you're rapidly running out of international breaks to integrate a young centre back into the side. Ideally you'd want him and Stones having a good run of games together.

    Of course it could just as well be there's no real expectation on him to displace Maguire by the Euro's so it doesn't really matter, but for me personally we need to take a couple of risks to really propel the team to the next level - namely a new centre back and new central midfielder, and Colwill has all the attributes we should be willing to gamble on and nurture.
     
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