It was shown. It's a great goal but because of the finish. He is great at running with the ball, but in video at least wasnt shown more than that.. if that's the criteria: ..
@Sexy Beast I’ll have a think about this another time Maybe kanchelskis can be downgraded to the honourable mentions list I have still not even mentioned prosinecki even once I’m pretty certain he wasn’t an inferior dribbler to Zidane And would probably be as effective(a dribbler) as Micheal laudrup if he was as fast
Yeah, he's got a good number of rare and/or quality clips of Best in action on there. I navigated through a few Youtube recommendations after clicking the link too (including for example a BT sport mini-compilation of Best clips), and after noticing that @CristianoPuskas had done a full Best vs England 1971 video, I also see he uploaded this Eusebio vs Real Madrid (1965) one that you might like to see (and although I didn't mention him on this thread before, having in mind where to draw the line between dribbling and running with the ball in general, it's a good one to showcase Eusebio's dribbling/solo play abilities, not that he is playing without using his team-mates well a few times too). I know you saw the one vs Real Madrid in the 1962 Final before (in which he also had a big solo impact of course), but this one in full is new to me and I guess you too (there is a disallowed goal by the way I think, shortly before his actual goal)....
@PDG1978 12:09 What an outrageous solo goal by greaves even better then the one vs Manchester United or Newcastle Greaves was literally the CF equivalent of Lionel Messi Now I think of it the two best British footballers of the 60s at their absolute peak were arguably greaves and best Charlton/Law World class talents that became all time with longevity Best/Greaves All time talents that could’ve become GOAT in their respective positions with longevity, without alcoholism etc
Well spotted - I hadn't noticed that one yet myself, although there are quite a few match footage videos being uploaded on that account I know. That's Gordon Banks he goes around at the end of course too. I don't know whether you'll have been following the English league thread on the sub-forum (and others looking here might not have been anyway), so I'll link to two game reports where he received a 10 out of 10 (I'll check again and correct myself if I'm wrong but I think I saw he got a 9 for the game vs Manchester United where he scores that solo goal, gets a through ball assist etc....that has been available for quite a while in MOTD highlight form as you know) - not very detailed reports to be fair, but from the early days of People newspaper reporters giving out grades to fit a set of guidelines about performance - the first one linked below is also from 62/63, while the other one is from when he was a youngster just coming into the game with Chelsea - I'll also post a great goal for Chelsea from a different/later season (though it's less relevant to this thread really) as I don't know whether you saw that one or not https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/p...ivision-ratings.2037606/page-25#post-41204137 https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/p...ivision-ratings.2037606/page-28#post-41238956 Chelsea 3 Everton 3 Jimmy Greaves goal 1960-61 season - YouTube
Something should be said of Rivaldo especially his ability to score solo type goals I think after Ronaldo nazario left Barcelona up until the emergence of Lionel Messi I would say Rivaldo was the most effective soloist in La Liga Arguably the best dribbler in the world between 1999 and 2001 although Luis Figo would run him extremely close IMO
when it comes to the Art of beating defenders Messi is by far the best dribbler of all time followed by Maradona and Pele.IDK who anyone consider´s someone else close to those 3.
50's Sívori Finney Matthews HM: Di Stéfano, Czibor, Puskás, Walter, Garrincha, Didi, Kopa, Hamrin 60's Best Pelé Garrincha HM: Johnstone, L. Suárez, Gento, Joya, F. Albert, S. Mazzola, Džajić, Cruyff 70's Cruyff Zico Džajić HM: Rivelino, Jairzinho, S. Mazzola, Bochini, Rensenbrink, Blokhin, Causio, Simonsen 80's Maradona Zico Littbarski HM: Conti, Causio, Boniek, Francescoli, Gullit, M. Laudrup, Barnes, Tigana, Falcão 90's Ronaldo Baggio Savićević HM: M. Laudrup, B. Laudrup, Giggs, Scifo, Rivaldo, Stoichkov, Romário, Del Piero 00's Ronaldinho Zidane Figo HM: Henry, Totti, Pires, Kaka, Iniesta, C. Ronaldo, Messi, Robben, Ribéry 10's Messi Iniesta Neymar HM: Hazard, C. Ronaldo, Modrić, D. Silva, Robben, Di María, Bale, Marcelo, Mahrez, Benzema 20's (so far) Messi O. Dembélé Vinícius Jr. HM: Neymar, Mbappé, Mahrez, Grealish, Musiala, Kvaratskhelia Bonus — an all-time dribbling galore XI Pelé Best - Maradona - Messi Falcão - Tigana Marcelo - Gullit - Beckenbauer - Alves Ederson
I've come up with an opposition XI: maybe Cruyff in midfield is a stretch in some respects as it wasn't his normal position in his prime, but for an outright dribblers game it would seem suitable maybe (alternatively Josef Masopust could go in rather than Michael Laudrup, with either Wilkes or Cruyff playing from the left wing....while it's also feasible to switch Laudrup with Wilkes, but Wilkes being able to go to both sides as well as through the middle easier probably seems best and to get the best of Laudrup as a dribbler as opposed to passer it might be better to have him playing from the left as his nominal position anyway or to pick his 1980s version from when he often played from that side; - I think Colin Bell instead of Vieira might be feasible too even for a complete end to end pure dribblers game, though a lot of the players involved are obviously great in general and wouldn't hog the ball until tackled all the time if they wanted to play at their optimum...anyway I've put a video in which Bell showed that at his peak he could be a contender for a role equivalent to your midfielders possibly) Rene Higuita; Josimar, Laurent Blanc, Maxime Bossis, Rafael Gordillo; Patrick Vieira, Johan Cruyff; Garrincha, Faas Wilkes, Michael Laudrup; Ronaldo Nazario This new video seems like possibly the best one overall for Paulo Futre as a dribbler by the way I'd say:
Check 3:44 Absolutely filthy solo goal Also some epic and very rare dribbling runs scattered throughout @Edhardy @PDG1978 @Legolas10 @Doc_Exec @harms In 2012 The Brazilian football federation awarded this Neymar the Bola de Ouro Hors Concours making him ineligible to win the award ever again. Pelé was the only other player to receive this distinction. https://www.sambafoot.com/news/39761_neymar_named__hors_concours__in_brasileirao_awards.html If this version of Neymar with this level of goal threat,directness and fearlessness arrived in Europe I think I’d be willing to entertain he was a top 10 all time level player I think weighing his talent,his injuries and lack of career defining matches(relative to even lesser talented ones like KHR) without going too extreme one way or the other top 50 all time (at 31 years old) is ok for him
I've only looked at that goal for now Carlito, rather than the full video (and I know he was a prodigy in Brazil indeed). The goal kind of reminds me of this at 3:23 in a way plus this at 0:41 in a way but somehow I probably rate those two higher (not 90s bias....I think anyway - perhaps Weah could have controlled the ball before it bounced, and Del Piero didn't need to bring the ball out of the air, but I feel what they did after was more unusually impressive probably) Anyway, I was coming back to say I had some more thoughts about the midfield 2 in that dribblers line-up I posted (as theoretical opposition for the XI of harms). Deyna had crossed my mind, but I think going in a typical 4-2-3-1 is a stretch for him too, and a bit different from being the playmaker in the middle of the 4-3-3 in the World Cup 1974. Fernando Redondo and Edgar Davids do come to mind for sure, though I feel I'd definitely be more inclined to put them on the left of the 2, which was where I had in mind for Cruyff. I'd already considered Ardiles too. Possibly I'd move Cruyff into Laudrup's slot and bring in Redondo alongside Vieira Colin Bell....? Masopust playing from the right sided place himself?? no actually Cruyff in the right sided CM slot and Laudrup still in (I decide as I type!) Higuita; Josimar, Blanc, Bossis, Gordillo; Cruyff, Redondo; Garrincha, Wilkes, Michael Laudrup; Ronaldo Nazario
The time stamp I put on the Neymar vid was incorrect It was at the 4:00 minute mark but I guess that’s the one you looked at
Neymar had everything to be the greatest dribbler in history. He has it all: speed, reflexes, repertoire, ball control, he dribbles the entire field and not just part of the field. The problem is his tendency to dip Ronaldinho had more repertoire, although he didn't have the same aggressiveness. But he didn't dive either. Ronaldo Nazário at Inter and Barcelona had everything too: speed, repertoire, ball control, aggressiveness, but he lasted a short time due to injuries. Fat Ronaldo was another player In terms of absolute dribbling numbers, I think Garrincha would take it if there were stats from the 1958 and 1962 world cups. He was only on the left wing, the repertoire was smaller than today, but that was all he did in the game: dribbling and crossing. Maybe he averaged 6 or 7 dribbles a game. Gento and George Best would also have great numbers, if there were statistics from that time. And Maradona in his early years at Napoli. Then he became more stationary. In their prime, they were the best dribblers in the world. Denilson (world champion with the Brazilian national team in 2002) became the most expensive transfer in the world in 1998 due to dribbling alone. He was almost an old-fashioned winger playing in the 90s. They had the expectation that Denilson would evolve into a top scorer. Denílson shows how the winger position has evolved. In the 90s, it was no longer enough to dribble and cross We cannot forget Rivellino, who brought new tricks, such as the elastic dribble (flip flap). He was an artist Okocha was among the best dribblers in three different World Cups (1994, 1998 and 2002). This is amazing feat.
Ah, ok, I looked at the previous one then. For similar goals, a little better, than the one at 4 minutes, what come to mind for me right now are that Jimmy Greaves one you spotted vs Leicester in 1962/63, and especially the Gascoigne one for Lazio (I guess you remember which one I'm meaning).
That gazza goal is legit the best goal I’ve seen in my life to be honest I’m not sure close control to that degree has ever been replicated(anywhere in any era) Technique on this was 100% perfect(no fumbling over the ball or defenders)
Yeah, to keep his balance and not lose control of the ball the whole time was impressive for sure! Compared to the Neymar one at the 4 minutes point I'd say there was a bit more of an active attempt by defenders to stop him too to be honest, although Neymar does go around the goalkeeper nicely at the end too.
None of those were real footballers Probably just cowboys wearing soccer jerseys The NASL of the 1970s was, to a large extent, a semi-pro league, with many of the players holding other jobs. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Soccer_League_(1968–1984)
Best's one is better defending either way. I mean this is again me being "modernish", hating the past but how is that in any way a good defending. It's terrible. They overcommit with every tackle and dont recover at all to the point that it was 3 on 1 in the penalty box. Better defending happens today in friendlies. This is how a proper defending looks like of a similar dribbling run: 5:21