2023 Gold Cup [R]

Discussion in 'Gold Cup' started by Paul Calixte, Jan 8, 2021.

  1. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I have been entertained to watch football. I don't care if the quality was bad. If you want to watch fluidity and high goal scoring. Stick with European football.
     
  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Legit? Eh...

    What's definitely beyond dispute is that the fans in NJ paid more for their tickets.

    Not even close - but that's more because Nicaraguan fans aren't really futboleros just yet, so they only fill up the Estadio Nacional when their team's doing well. See: that last Nations League game against Suriname before friends and family.

    Thank you, I appreciate the thoroughness.

    So on one hand, your proposal cuts the organizing costs by $500k. Not bad!

    On the other, your proposal has - at best - 2 Mexico games in the US.

    The current Gold Cup has up to 6.

    Just on that, Concacaf makes waaaaaay more profit by sticking with the current format.
     
  3. Tio Nicci

    Tio Nicci Member+

    Nov 13, 2008
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    For me playing home and away matches for a tournament sounds like a logistics nightmare for the organizers. In Europe its way easier to cross boarders around countries. But in Carribean and Latin America, its not so easy, and many airports are not up to standard like in the US. I know this for a fact. Panama is one of the worst countries to travel. Specially during covid times.
     
  4. MelbaToast

    MelbaToast Member+

    Jun 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Just watch the highlights of the games. Their stadium holds ~32k so it wasn't full but definitely a sizeable crowd. If it was under 19k, it wasn't much. On the other hand, the game in NJ you can clearly see most of the top sections of stadium were empty as well as other lower bowl sections. 20k would be extremely generous. I'd estimate there were 5,000 for the first game, 15k for the second.

    Well, yes, they make slightly more on ticket sales but lose out on all the other sales when there are only 5,000 people in the stadium, not mention a pretty lame game experience.


    I don't know how much to read into that. Playing a B league match in a new competition seems like a much different scenario.


    One match in the Azteca would likely equate to the whole of the group stage. And scarcity would likely mean bigger attendance for the other games. I think it would likely balance out.
     
  5. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you think Mexico/Trinibago in any competition's going to sell out the Azteca, you're gonna love this deal on prime real estate in the Everglades...

    If Nicaragua hadn't flubbed their lines in St. Vincent before, that B-league match would've had a Gold Cup berth on the line and Nicaragua would've had closer to a a sellout.
     
  6. nfitz

    nfitz Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Toronto
    Why would they want to add a dozen minnows to their competition? Would really water it down.

    I'd think a 16-team competition would go down better with them
     
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  7. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    That works too

    Considering their has been some consistency in the top 8 of Concacaf lately 6 teams seems fair
     
  8. MelbaToast

    MelbaToast Member+

    Jun 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I’d bet on a knockout tournament match selling out there whether it’s Trinidad or whoever.

    Seems we agree Nicaraguans would show up
     
  9. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Go back over the knockout games Mexico had to play in the early round of WCQ (in the oughts, when no one got byes to the semifinal round) and get back to me.
     
  10. MelbaToast

    MelbaToast Member+

    Jun 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Huge crowds. 50,000, 60,000, 70,000 for pre-Hex matches. 80k+ for Hex. A Gold Cup knockout match would likely see Hex level interest.
     
  11. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't say pre-Hex, I said pre-semifinal round.

    Mexico played their home game against Belize in 2008 in Monterrey, knowing full well that it would be a hard sell at the Azteca (and under the circumstances, the 42k+ attendance was impressive).

    Or, for a like-to-like comparison, check out the attendance figures the last time Mexico played at home in the Gold Cup...
     
  12. MelbaToast

    MelbaToast Member+

    Jun 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    #37 MelbaToast, Jul 26, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2021
    The pre-Hex and Hex are a better barometer than some cakewalk pre-qualifier.

    As for the Gold Cup, you're comparing an event (from 2003 no less) in which they played 5 matches at the Azteca to one in which they'd play just one. Not "like-to-like" at all.
     
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  13. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    They could fill out 3-4 spots with invitees, some of the traditional Copa/Gold Cup invitees like Qatar, Japan, Korea, South Africa. Even some of the European teams if they missed out on the Euros that summer, at one point they were talking about inviting some of them to the 2019 Copa
     
  14. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're a better barometer of Mexican interest in qualifying for the World Cup.

    You drastically overestimate the importance the average Mexican local fan gives to the Gold Cup.

    Be that as it may, the only time the Mexican fans showed up in force was when they played Brazil. They look down on everyone in Concacaf, and can only be bothered to care when making the WC finals is on the line.

    ...now, bring back the Confederations Cup and you may be on to something.
     
  15. nfitz

    nfitz Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Toronto
    Could I suppose.

    I'm not a big fan of invitees myself.
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The French overseas territory of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, which is just off Newfoundland, may compete in qualifying for the next Gold Cup.

    The islands have played 7 matches since making their debut in 2003, scoring twice and conceding 78 against the giants of French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Mayotte, New Caledonia and Reunion.
     
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  17. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
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    Olimpia
    Guatemala
    May 1, 2005
    US
    This is crazy considering they only have a population of about 6,000.
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So all it took was for Canada to start getting successful (women's Olympic Gold, men doing well in WCQ, Davies winning everything w/ Bayern) for Saint Pierre and Miquelon to want in :D
     
  19. Ben F

    Ben F New Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jun 19, 2022
    Boston, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Officially a Gold Cup year now! Apart from SoFi stadium in LA hosting the final, has anyone seen anything about other venues.
     
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  20. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing yet - and a bonus question is (presuming the US makes it that far... or regardless, I fear?) whether the city/-ies chosen to host the Nations League finals will be left out of consideration for the Gold Cup as well.
     
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  21. Piffy187

    Piffy187 Member

    Jul 26, 2009
    FL
    Club:
    CA Peñarol
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...ited-wrexham-concacaf-gold-cup-semifinal-july

    Snapdragon stadium to host 1 semifinal. No other info whatsoever, trust me I’ve been looking like crazy. I was hoping Orlando or Miami get something but I have a feeling they might go with newer mls stadiums such as Geodis park (Nashville) or Citypark (St. Louis) and move west to SoFi for the final.

    I believe Texas will most likely host at the least with 2 venues, so much money to be made there especially with the Mexican fans. Besides, Texas always seems to get picked.
     
  22. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd take issue with this line:

    ... if it weren't true for most of the Gold Cup's history :unsure:

    It went unnoticed b/c the US and Mexico eventually won their groups (although neither was in 1st place going in to the last matchday), but we finally had a mixed bracket that didn't keep them apart until the Final in 2021. For the sake of integrity, Concacaf has to keep it that way...
     
  23. Ben F

    Ben F New Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jun 19, 2022
    Boston, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good info, thanks for sharing that article. I'm hoping a few games will be in the Northeast.
     
  24. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Haven't seen this shared here before, so...

    Following the conclusion of the 2022-23 Concacaf Nations League group stage, we now know 13 of the 16 Gold Cup participants (Qatar included as an invite), plus the field for the Gold Cup prelims:





     
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  25. Felix Herve Caroll

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Ivory Coast
    Everything is ready for the 2023 #GoldCup draw!
    [​IMG] Teams will be distributed in Pots 1-3 based on the Concacaf Men’s National Team Rankings
    [​IMG] 3 Prelims winners and Qatar will be placed in Pot 4
    [​IMG] Pot 1 teams will each be seeded into a group

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    Source
     
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