Perfetto, the Return of Carletto! - Benvenuto Carlo Ancelotti

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  1. MaxY

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    May 24, 2016
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    So Hazard, Mariano, Asensio, Ceballos, Lucas, Odriozola, Vallejo, Mendy and Castilla starting every game?
     
  2. fierro

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    Jan 30, 2007
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    I don't know where people are getting this idea that Mariano (and Odriozola) are important players to Carlo. At some point he had to play them if for no other reason to justify their exclusion. Isn't this exactly what happened with Hazard? And Lucas Vasquez?

    We probably would have seen the end to some other players if the squad was adequately filled with players at the requisite levels. Yet Carlo is still bringing on Asensio who still has "potential" to be more than a >10 goals a season player.


    Of course the irony here is these players were at one point considered to be worth taking a chance on which tend to contravene the theory that playing youth team players guarantee's la liga success.
     
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  3. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
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    The league is done. So the rest of the games won't be result-oriented. the pressure must be less for the young players. It is time to "test" them....
     
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  4. 4x4s

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    Test them for what?
     
  5. 4x4s

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    Hazard is saying he never gets a chance and people here claim Carlo gave him too much of a chance.
     
  6. Excape Goat

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    If test them if they are Real Madreid material.
     
  7. J-Mezzy

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    You talking about Alvaro and Arribas?
     
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  8. Deep Pal

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    Whether they are lactose intolerant or not.
     
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  9. Excape Goat

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    Alvaro, Arribas, VT, etc? I don't mean that they should start, but they should be playing more. VT can at least make his first team debut.
     
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  10. hector_br

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    Feb 13, 2007
    Really, dude? :laugh:
     
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  11. fierro

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    Jan 30, 2007
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    To see how they respond in no pressure meaningless games against relegation teams.

    That way we know what we have and how they will respond when it's a must win Classico away at Camp Nou for all the marbles.
     
  12. 4x4s

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    They need to go and get a proper look at a club that relies on them.

    It worked for Valverde, it worked for Carvajal. The only players it didn't work for, weren't for us in the first place.


    Throwing League games does nothing but put more pressure on the team to perform elsewhere. This is also an economic problem. When the fans figure that they won't see the stars, you'll see a lot of empty seats at the Bernabeu.
     
  13. Zidane05

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    So what's your solution? How do you judge when an academy player is ready to be promoted to the first team and how do you include them in your plans for a season?
     
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  14. Excape Goat

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    We cannot field them against Chelsea on the 2nd leg when they barely play outside Castilla, can't we?. The last remaining games in La Liga will be against as you said relegation teams that are fighting for their lives. The games are meaningful for them. The competition would have higher than any team the young players have ever encountered in their entire careers. And I don't think that the young players would relax and enjoy the "ride". Those games would be the opportunities of their lifetime. They will try to impress rather relax. Their future with the team depend on them in a way. We usually tested the young players in the last game of the CL group stage when all was decided..... what is the difference? If VT cannot handle Valladoid or Alvas fails to score in the next 6 games, we know that they are not ready next season.



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  15. fierro

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    In Vinicius case the plan was for him to play in Castilla but he overachieved and there was a clear opening in his favorite position left vacant by a the departure of a club legend. Then the star player signed to fill the void was a historic fail. Then another star player bailed on Flo's transfer plan and renewed with his hometown team.

    That's not going to happen often and those aren't the conditions the club should purposely be trying to replicate.

    I see Castilla at this point as more of a player mill where we develop to sell as a way of raising funds to pay for first team transfer targets. I don't believe Florentino has a plan to ensure the scouting, training and development of Castilla players sufficient to sustain a pipeline of first team ready players.

    With the likes of Alvaro. It's nice that he got some chances to shown he's capable of scoring and creating.. Now he should go to a team where he can show that every week because at best he's a backup here. If something were to happen where he was suddenly relied on for 2 games a week, I think it could become overwhelming.

    If he blows it out of the water and racks up like 5-10 goals/assists before the end the season, it will be the "best case" and "most unlikely" scenario all wrapped up in one.
     
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  16. Zidane05

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    If the policy is to develop and sell, that’s fine, but you have a player there that you have to make an 18M decision on this summer and he fills a position of significant need. How do you make that decision?
     
  17. Excape Goat

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    I just want to add. Since those games are meaningless for us, Ancelotti may as well try to make something out of them. I don't mean completely dropping Kroos, Modric, Dani, etc. Alvaro, Arribus, VT, etc should get some PT.... that's all. I was not thinking beyond this season.

    The gate receipts might be affected, but it won't be a big draw anyway,
     
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  18. Lyra

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  19. J-Mezzy

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    Cuz la liga refs are rigged :ninja::p:D
     
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  20. Digital

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    What kind of nonsensical discussion is that, did it fail last season, can anyone show me a coach who's won every single football competition they've competed in, which team or coach is that, is it just about coaching at all?, nothing to do with the players at the coachs' disposal, i guess they have to talk about something
     
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  21. Zidane05

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    Jul 18, 2005
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    The defense of Pochettino is that he only had one chance to work in a big team. His work in Espanyol and Southampton was excellent. He took Tottenham well beyond what that squad was built to achieve, and big name coaches after him have not come close to what he has done despite bigger investments. PSG potentially ruined his reputation, but all big names coaches they’ve hired have achieved the same thing. It’s a graveyard for coaches. Tactically he plays very attractive football with an emphasis on positional play that would be very suitable for a technically superior midfield such as ours.

    The case against him is simple; he has a reputation, rightly or not, of being a small team coach. The fans are heavily against his appointment which is a bad start (look back to the Benitez era). Tactically, he’s heavily reliant on FBs to provide width and be passing outlets to relieve pressure when building out of the back. We don’t have strong full backs.
     
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  22. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Good points. he's also known for being a bit of a control freak as far as i know, which simply isn't realistic in Madrid.
     
  23. Doni

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    Dec 4, 2010
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    I’ve not heard of this one before, seems to have had a good relationship with his players from my recollections.
     
  24. AppleBob86

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    Jan 11, 2018
    ******** Poch. Espanyol level.
     
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  25. AppleBob86

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    Jan 11, 2018
    That PSG team run rings around him from what I heard. Had no control whatsoever.
     

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