Colombian National Team General Thread

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  1. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Once Duran is starting for Villa, I think we'll see him in this system. Until then, I think Borre is THE starter up front. The dude plays with no ego. Perfect fit if you have two guys like Sini and Diaz who love to cut in and score.

    Today's match revealed Lorenzo isn't as locked into the 4231 as things looked. Essentially, Uribe-Castano-Arias formed a 3 man line. Castano was the 5. Uribe was the box-to-box. Arias was the guy who hovered closest to attack, especially towards the side of the field we had possession on.

    Arias showed his versatility big time today. He's another ego-less dude. He spent the whole game just getting into areas where he could recycle the ball back to the main attackers. He was basically a less tough, more mobile Abel Aguilar. Might be a better choice than Yaser in your lineup. Either way, that's asking a lot from Barrios against the tougher teams...
     
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  2. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Machado hopefully gets the spot, Borre fits perfectly with Sini and Diaz. We don't need a 9 goal poacher, we need someone who brings the wide forwards into the play and works hard out of possession leading a press. Borre is perfect for that, his goal output doesn't need to be sky high when he does a lot of other things, good think Duran does too. I will stick with Duvan doing the same and we will need him, holds the ball up and is very good at bringing other attackers into play. The Defense I like, but still the midfield is a difficult spot, Uribe and Lerma are good players, but they don't fit with what we need, the set up would have to change and they can be useful in a high pressing team but we need midfield controllers to dictate the tempo and that can evade pressing from other teams, if we sort that out we could have a very good team if Lorenzo leans into us being a pressing team.
     
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  3. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    We could do Panama and Curacao... :whistling:
     
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  4. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    I get what you mean with Borre. His workrate is impressive. I don't think the goal poaching #9 is such a bad thing as long as you have players running off the ball as other options. This was our worst with Rueda last cycle. No one ever committed to space off the ball so we were so so predictable.

    Having a guy that can finish in the box, even the 'easy' goals, can make all the difference. I keep thinking back over the years how big physical guys like Duvan didn't get a ton of service in the box. Everything had to be a struggle or with his back to goal.

    That Duran goal is the quintessential finish that everyone wants from their striker. I'm good with my wingers scoring as well, but ultimately I think what I've seen from the Lorenzo's offense is we have 4-5 guys as possible options to score on every possession. That's def a new thing that I'm enjoying watching.

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  5. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    I think under Rueda our weaknesses were clear, we played two center forwards who were in the box, but it never really clicked with the service and there just was never an offense that created a lot of chances or was fluid. Another issue was his insistence on Cuadrado, who doesn't get into the box and doesn't run beyond a CF, also the 4-4-2 pushed Diaz further away from goal. We have two very good wide forwards and we don't have very good 9's on form right now, we don't have a good goal poacher who can fill that roll too well.

    We should lean into our strengths which is Sini and Diaz running behind a CF who can bring others into play, those two are by far at this point our best offensive players and we have a few 9's who can fill the roll of helping to facilitate them in Duvan/Borre and Morelos even. We should accept our weaknesses and lean into our strengths, so Borre not being a monster goal scorer is ok for me because he can make up for it in other areas and help to facilitate the guys we do have who put up really good numbers for wide forwards and are very creative. Rueda was a nightmare, we didn't set up a good attack to counter, and when we went behind it was just crosses into the box and hope for chances, we have to have a better plan going foward and for me the plan should be centered around the guys we have and try to recreate a similar lineup to how Liverpool played with Firminho as a facilitator for the wide forwards.
     
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  6. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I can see what people are saying about the 9 situation. And I understand that guys like Santos Borre provide a lot of positive qualities and attributes.
    However, when I see main target guys sometimes missing easy sitters and not putting many shots on goals during stretches it makes it very frustrating to watch. Consistency on target should be expected from target men no?

    I am hoping maybe this last highlight reel chilena goal gives him more confidence when it comes to the easier ones but I doubt it.
     
  7. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    if Borre can do the James role in 2014 than more power to him. I mean I don’t care who scores as long as we score. Also with Diaz and Sinisteria attacking way less defenders will be on our #9

    I also loved we used Arias in a 3 man mf. At that point he will work in the line up when Diaz/Sinisteria are healthy
     
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  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    But the difference is James usually does not miss easy opportunities.
     
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  9. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    james didn’t have a Diaz or Sinisteria type player. Our roster in 2014 was pretty weak compared to what we have now or in 2018 or 2022. It’s just Zuniga and Armero can’t be replaced.
     
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  10. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    It is just a bad comparison all- around. I just have to hope Santos Borre improves his accuracy or that some younger guy emerges in the next few years.
     
  11. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    I've been pretty harsh on Borre in the past and I don't think he's ever going to be a big goal scorer or prolific putting up offensive numbers, but he does other things really well that are valuable and we have other players who are much better at scoring and running behind that he can facilitate. Benzema, Firminho, Gabriel Jesus at different points in their career have been CF's who don't score a ton of goals but make their team much, much better with the things they have brought without purely being a goal scorer. The old days of a center forward just being a poacher are long gone, you need other skills and we do have some guys who fit that mold and we have wide forwards who thrive off of those players so its a no brainer for me.
     
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  12. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    well, just keep in mind we need goals to actually win games, so if the CF isn't doing it, someone needs to.

    in our case we are fortunate that many players are actually pretty well rounded.

    there aren't many pure poachers that I can think of now, closest thing I can come up with is maybe the chicarito or giroud,
     
  13. colombianballa91

    Jul 2, 2007
    NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Haaland?
     
  14. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I thought of him too

    can you imagine Haaland with Colombia? would be a dream come true
     
  15. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    him with any nt is a dream come true haha for those fans.

    honestly if I could have any player I would want a new Zuniga :) or a less Diva/injury prone James. It’s what we need most. Or a 22 year old Porto Falcao.
     
  16. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Haaland is similar to a prime Falcao in many ways, actually. With the amount of opportunities these guys miss he'd be our all time scorer in no time
     
  17. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Comparing the Conmebol WCQ 2022 table, it's crazy to think that despite all the 0-0 ties and low scoring matches (with a few exceptions), Colombia scored 7 less goals than Argentina, 7 less than Ecuador and 2 less than Uruguay. Brazil was the only outlier with 40 GF to our 20 GF.
    We let in 19 goals.

    WCQ 2018 cycle 21 GF, 19 GA
     
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  18. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I just remembered Sebastián Villa existed.
     
  19. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    He doesn’t
     
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  20. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    We were robbed of prime Falcao, the guy was insane pre injury. We were so good in that 2014 cycle and we were even better at the World Cup as a team and that was without Falcao who was scoring for fun back then.
     
  21. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    LoL. I said DREAMING.
     
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  22. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    best colombian i've ever seen in my life.

    I remember the game with Paraguay I think where he replicated the goal he scored in the EL Final.

    Was the beginning of the colombian injury curse that still plagues us to this day
     
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  23. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I don’t know it’s a toss up between Falcao and James. Tho the Porto hat trick VS Chelsea was awesome

    wish we had Falcao in 2014 and a healthy James in 2018. Think we could have had 1-2 World Cup titles If they were both healthy for those cups
     
  24. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    It was Atletico


    And no we would have no titles

    we are not beating Germany nor France
     
  25. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    We beat France before the WC. That Germany that raped Brazil barely beat the US. Both teams to ‘‘em were beatable.
     

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