Pre-match: Mexico Friendly, 4/19

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  1. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    So do the C & C keepers have real upside? There are folks who have shown to be good analysts who really like Callender. What‘s the skinny?
     
  2. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would also bring in Parks and I'd see if Chelsea would let us have Slonina and would start him.

    But my projected roster is what I think Hudson will do versus what I would do.
     
  3. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Combo of what I think will happen & I'd be OK with:

    CF: Vazquez, Ebobisse
    W: Morris, Arriola, Zendejas Gioacchini, Gutierrez
    10: Ferreira, Sonora
    8: E-Will, T. Tillman, Pomykal/Bassett
    6. A. Morris, Acosta
    CB: Zimmerman, Miazga, Sands, Neal
    LB: Tolkin, Wiley, JoGo
    RB: Jones, Moore
    GK: Celentano, Slonina, Johnson

    Have to see starts for Vazquez, J-Mo, A-Mo, E-Will, Celentano/Slonina, Tolkin, Jones, Zimm, & Ferreira at the 10. Hopefully it's a 4231 to try that out, just one w/ a more robust d-mid like A-Mo. A-Mo, E-Will pairing sounds good. That's a template for how Adams-Musah could work, only w/ the 1st unit, v. better comp.
     
  4. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Will mls release players?
     
  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Almost certainly. Part of the reason we only called one MLS player this window (and he will not get released for this game).
     
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  6. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010

    Yeah I can’t imagine US Soccer would agree to this game without mls confirming that players would be released. I can’t imagine what our squad would look like if we couldn’t take first team players from MLS or Europe.
     
  7. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's to stop an individual club from rejecting the request? We've seen it happen before.
     
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  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #33 Clint Eastwood, Mar 29, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2023
    They certainly can.

    However, I do agree with the poster above.
    I'm sure the federation has been chatting with clubs.
    We didn't call them up this past window so we could call them up in the next one.

    Maybe Atlanta said they wouldn't release Robinson outside of a FIFA date in April, so we called him up to the March camp.
     
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  9. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Some may reject the callup, but I think in a majority of situations, they will both want to keep the player happy and appreciate the exposure that a callup brings to the player - including a boost to future value. Especially if they're not missing a game, seems hard to justify barring a player nursing injuries.
     
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  10. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe with Robinson it came down to his continuing recovery and not forcing him into multiple games in a short amount of time. That's what I read somewhere.
     
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  11. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS has a culture of playing thru int'l windows, like they just did last time around. Their future is more tied to the nat'l team's success than just about any other league in the world. And these days they're netting double-digit transfer fees, aided by a variety of int'l comps (although they're not dependent upon this as much as before).

    So I doubt there's going to be many problems. Miles won't be here, because of the exchange they made. But I'd expect nearly everyone else to be available from MLS & Liga MX.
     
  12. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    #37 Excellency, Mar 29, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2023
    There's one day of training for this camp. I'd start Sands 6 and Keaton 10 with a positionally savvy defensive 8 who can press and pass and cover the 6 position when Sands has to back up the fullback (Hudson will bring Acosta and Morris instead).

    There's a temptation to bring two cb's who know each other like Zim and Long but we really need to get going on combing thru the cb pool for 2026 when Long will likely be totally out of it. How about Kessler or a guy of similar age + Zim?
     
  13. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    el grande toma de efectivo classico!
     
  14. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know how exactly they're going to manage the summer tourneys, and if they're still going to have the groups stratified.

    If MLS players are going to be permitted for the UNL finales, the following are candidates for carry-over with a strong performance in April:

    *Vazquez - can capitalize off Dike's stumble to be the target CF
    *Tolkin - Hudson said he'd have been part of the March camp if the groups weren't divided
    *E-Will - can still use CM depth & he's been on the borderline for a while
    *Acosta - he's a young enough depth holdover.
    *Zimmerman - same as Acosta, except higher on depth chart
    *A.Morris - we'd ideally like an upgrade from Acosta.
    *J.Morris - #1 g+a/90 adjusted pre-injury, so if he's strong v. Mexico he's re-establishing
    *Slonina/Celentano - they could be 3rd keeper
    *Ferreira - only if he plays 10 in the 4231 and shows out, maybe he can backup Gio
     
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  15. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hudson basically said as much. They didn't want him playing three games in a one week period.
     
  16. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why do you say that?
     
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  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    We don't have Chicago players on the team, and Atlanta will certainly release ARob as that's their last chance to sell him rather than loose for free. So we should be fine.
     
  18. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why don't you think that? Americans need to be the best at something, or near it, for it to in turn become highly popular - basketball, olympics, football (bcuz we're the only 1 competing lol).

    I thought that was a banal statement when I made it actually. Didn't expect anyone to seriously object. It's common knowledge.
     
  19. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What are you implying about the folks who really like Celentano? I projected his success, based on what I could piece together, before he stepped foot in MLS.

    He had a save % of 91 & was college defender of the year at 19-20. Was solid in MLS as a 21 yr old rookie. Was clutch in the playoffs. Doesn't appear to be having a sophomore slump. Slonina did. Turner even did initially (got benched) & he was much older. Celentano has decent physical tools and is fairly well-rounded.

    So why wouldn't we think it's realistic he's relevant to the nat'l team in the near future? The bar's pretty low below Turner (who's not raising an insurmountable bar) & we could need a gap bridge to Slonina, even if he's the real deal.
     
  20. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Celentano might be a better version of Steffen. Very solid, without visible weaknesses, good, though not great, athletically. Not to become, he might be there already.
     
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  21. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    williamson and pomykal are in the same boat for me- it really is shit or get off the pot time for them. theyve both shown glimpses, even stretches of really promising play over the last half decade and neither has made a case for more than filling out a gc roster.

    theyre both used up their "injury at inopportune time" cards and both have wholly overwhelmed when they have gotten a shot.

    let me put it this way- roldan is consistently twice the player either of them are in club play and no one argues he deserves actual minutes with the nats. why do eryk or paxton?

    ive been a fan of both, and badly wanted both to make a freaking case for themselves already but at some point you move on.
     
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  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think they both have good potential. The next step for either of them would be to establish themselves as the best goalie in MLS the same way Turner and Tim Howard did. Steffen was also MLS goalie of the year before he left, but there’s lots who argue he didn’t deserve it.

    It’s still very early but so far the best goalie in the league in terms of goals prevented is Brad Stuver (who’d deserve a call up if he were younger). Callender is 5th in the league at current.

    Celentano is a bit further down (though roughly in a similar spot as Sean Johnson). It’s still very early though so you can’t give these numbers too much weight quite yet.
     
  23. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    If in the 4-2-3-1 formation:

    Goal: Johnson
    Defense: Jones-Robinson-Zimmerman-Gressel
    Midfield: A. Morris-Tillman
    Attacking: Cowell-Sonora-Zendejas
    Striker: Vasquez

    Or Zendejas as A-mid and J. Morris as right attacker
     
  24. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think that because it isn't true. It's widely-believed, maybe, but not fact.
     
  25. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then tell me a sport we're not one of the best in that's particularly popular? You can't. Because the highest is soccer itself. That ranks 6th. https://www.statista.com/chart/28107/sports-followed-by-americans/

    And LigaMX does better ratings than MLS even here, so much of that are Mexican-Americans who primarily identify as Mexican. Mexico gets much higher attendances in the US than us, let alone south of the border.

    The top 2 sports on the list the US are totally dominant in (1 which only we play). The 3rd we can argue we're the best.

    Then we have the olympics, where we've won the most medals, including in all these fringe sports ww, and our fans watch 3* more content than any other country. https://www.wearemiq.com/blog/which-country-has-the-worlds-most-passionate-olympic-fans/

    It's empirically true. So MLS helps themselves, by helping the USMNT, to a degree. Which they partially realize, thus the regular releases outside int'l windows.
     
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