Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Epitome990, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    see this is a real tourney, all 7 top NTs qualified and then rest can go to other teams.


    this 8 team BS is nonesense.
     
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  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    more to this too, as I mentioned yesteday, Brazil called up 2 04-05s to Senior NT this month and all they did was breakthrough and that's it.

    feels like less and less countries take their time for call ups these days.
     
  3. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No reason why not. You see a lot of countries call up players very early or others not playing regular first team football, but who offer something other available players don’t. You need to have flexibility, I mean look at Italy pre Euro last time.

    In any case I think Schade will start playing more for Brentford, especially as their leading scorer Ivan Toney is facing a ban for breaking betting rules.
     
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  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    one isn't a Frenchie or Penglish player until your part of controversy, LMAO.
    Good news for us if it increases his game time.

    time for Flick to call up entire 2005 core!!!:whistling:
     
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  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -pass, PSG want to poach 06 AM/W Darvich from Freiburg....needs to stay at Freiburg.
    https://www.fussballtransfers.com/a1875367835128708572-psg-interesse-an-freiburg-talent-darvich

    -06 AM/W Yalcinkaya of HSV has interest from bigger clubs and Turkish ones
    https://www.fussballtransfers.com/a1005835565324598961-tuerkei-geruechte-um-hsv-talent-yalcinkaya

    -06 defender Arnold and 06 attacker Zelic who have trained with 2BL Darmstadt 1st team this break get brought up by coach.
    https://www.kicker.de/lieberknecht-...igen-das-soll-ein-zeichen-sein-944237/artikel

    that's a lot of 06 updates for non-youth stuff.

    -01 GK Reichert (extension) and 04 GK Ortegel (Pro contract) continue with 2BL FCN. My problem is its stupid for a Reichert to extend to play more RL....
     
  6. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Talking of Darvich, https://footballtalentscout.net/2023/03/20/noah-darvich/

    Another of a growing number of strong dribblers we are starting to see coming up. He is at exactly the right club for development, Freiburg have a strong II and give youth a proper chance to breakthrough into their first team, plus they have been consistently good results wise under one of the best coaches in the BL.

    A move to PSG would be a terrible idea.
     
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  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    according to dfb we don't have any dribbling players just like how we don't have any GKs, LBs or CFs. One wonders if those idiots even know their own pool of players, LMAO. And yeah Freiburg is perfect place for him.

    -LMAO, Koln gonna get banned from transfers until Summer 2024 due to their poaching of a that foreign CF Potocnik. Good maybe this ban will stop all of these German clubs obsessed with getting underage kids and at same time a ban until 2024 GONNA FORCE KOLN AND BAUMGART TO INTEGRATE...
    https://geissblog.koeln/2023/03/hammer-strafe-fifa-sperrt-den-fc-fuer-alle-transfers/

    -04 CF Downs at Koln getting high praise since return from injury. Seems like gonna be main man for Koln U19 in their focus on U19 championship. They all believe he has 1BL potential too.
    https://geissblog.koeln/2023/03/lange-verletzter-downs-als-trumpf-im-u19-titelkampf/

    -Farke is an idiot instead of pushing for more Netz in anticaption for next season he insists on playing "best possible XI" translation Netz won't play XI as Gladbach is struggling for results so more likely to play older and more experienced LB.
    https://www.kicker.de/bensebaini-od...n-gegenwart-und-zukunft-944343/artikel#twfeed

    -2005 Fritz Walter
    Silver=Ulrich


    Bronze=Buchmann
     
  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    05 CB Atom has rejected RB Leipzig pro contract.....this club is a joke, 0 integration and loans to sell what's point??? And linked with Barca, Leeds, Juventus, Spurs etc interested in him.

    all would be stupid anyways would just end up in II teams what's point???

    but continues to show how the 2005 Age Group really does look like a Golden Generation when even players outside core have a lot of interest.

    also will Leipzig give 05 CB Ihendu a pro contract or will he also bail???
     
  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -04 CF Topp and 06 CF Brunner!!!


    -A + Article talking about 05 CF Weiper being on everyone's lips.
    https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/sport...i-einem-profi-von-mainz-05-83380248.bild.html

    According to Mainz fans, Weiper is seen by Mainz coach Bo as a regular in matchday squads.

    -More on Mainz youth from Mainz U19 coach, there is more too.
    looks like 05 CF Weiper, 04 W Gruda, 04 AM/W Kaygin and 05 DM/CB Schulz are all seen as top talents and players they trust.
    https://www.fr.de/sport/fussball/auf-den-spuren-von-thomas-tuchel-92172031.html
     
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  10. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I mean who cares anyways about Topp, Downs, Weiper, Pejcinovic, Brunner etc the confirmed 1BL CF prospects this early, since not classical CFs=Germany has 0 CFs!!!!

    Signed Rudi Voller, Clowns at DFB, German media etc.

    its sad that Germany can't dev CFs. Yes because only Sandro Wagner types are REAL CFs!!!!!!!!
     
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  11. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -an update on 05 AM/W Krattenmacher


    -The Missing one for 2005 Fritz Walter


    Bo Svensson: "We plan to have Nelly in our squad. Sure, the U19s have an important game on Sunday. But the order is clear. Everything has therefore already been discussed internally."


    -update on 00 CF Burkardt
    Bo Svensson: "Jonny is making progress in rehab. He has less pain after periods of stress. I still can't say when he'll be back though. I can only say that a positive development can currently be seen."

    -Union Berlin is trash club, 01 W Maciejewski bailing in Summer. They kept him around all season, no loan and did nothing with him. Only kept him for whole European rules. Worst part they tried to force him into RB but then leaving anyways so what was point???
    https://www.kicker.de/maciejewski-wird-union-verlassen-4000000048023/transfermeldung

    -Glasner talks 02 W Knauff
    https://www.ligainsider.de/ansgar-k...pricht-ueber-idealposition-von-knauff-335650/
     
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  12. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Article on 04 W/CF Kabadayi

    Yusuf Kabadayi at Bayern Munich: Courted U17 veteran
    Yusuf Kabadayi (19) is considered one of Bayern's most promising talents. The man from Munich with Turkish roots is extremely courted - by clubs and associations.

    Yusuf Kabadayi is only 19 years old, but he may have already made the most amazing change of his career: from the U14s directly to the U17s of FC Bayern Munich, for whom he then played for three seasons. This is a remarkable step, especially in these young years, when physical development is still progressing rapidly. A step that shows what he was expected to do early on in Munich.

    Alongside Paul Wanner, Arijon Ibrahimovic and Tarek Buchmann, Kabadayi is now considered one of Bayern's most promising talents. "Yusi is a great striker, he's a crook," said reserve coach Holger Seitz. Julian Nagelsmann took him to the professional training camp in Qatar in January. He was allowed to play for half an hour in the only test match against RB Salzburg (4:4).
    Kabadayi was born in Munich and joined Bayern at the age of eight. He is one for whom the wonderful football word "homegrown" was invented. "I've been here since the U8s and I can't imagine playing for another club," said Kabadayi as part of his contract extension until 2024.

    Yusuf Kabadayi: Fast, good at dribbling, prone to injury
    The left winger is fast, good at dribbling and has plenty of traction towards the goal. So far, he has been slowed down more by injuries than by opponents. Last season he had to sit out for weeks because of an acromion fracture, this time first because of problems in the ankle and then in the thigh.

    In the past five years he has only played 68 competitive games for the U17s, U19s and reserves, of course also due to the Corona breaks. On average, he scored a point in almost every second game. Kabadayi has been fit again since the winter break. After winter experiences with the professional team, he recently scored two important goals for the reserves in the regional league.

    Since the change of coach from Martin Demichelis to Holger Seitz, the team is undefeated, but leaders SpVgg Unterhaching are still ahead of 15 points. The climb shouldn't work anymore.

    Yusuf Kabadayi: Interest from clubs - and from Turkey
    Because the regional league is not the ideal development environment for players of Kabadayi's quality, according to information from SPOX and GOAL, he can imagine a loan in the summer. Gabriel Vidovic (Vitesse Arnhem) and Malik Tillman (Rangers FC) serve as role models and are currently developing brilliantly on loan. Concrete talks about the new season have not yet taken place. FC Bayern has an option to extend the contract, which runs until 2024, by a year.

    There was already interest in Kabadayi in winter: As SPOX and GOAL learned, the Serie A club US Lecce and Galatasaray tried in vain to get a commitment. Lecce insisted on a purchase option in a loan deal, which FC Bayern did not want to grant. Galatasaray was interested in a permanent deal, which was not an option for Kabadayi.

    Kabadayi's family is from Isparta, about a two-hour drive north of Antalya. He has already played in his parents' country - for the Turkish U15 and U16 national team, when the DFB was not yet interested in being called up. Kabadayi has been playing for his country of birth Germany since the U18s, but he hasn't made a final decision yet.

    The Turkish association is currently trying to change nations again, even tempting with the prospect of a nomination for the senior national team. At least for the time being, Kabadayi will continue to play for Germany U19s, for whom he scored in a 3-2 defeat by Italy last week.
    https://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussb...2303/Artikel/yusuf-kabadayi-beim-fcb-ftr.html
     
  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    the fact that Bayern wants to loan every player even the so called top talents shows what a joke this club is and why playing for the club is pointless.

    also getting tiresome.
    The Turkish association is currently trying to change nations again, even tempting with the prospect of a nomination for the senior national team.

    Kuntz is a ********ing Loser.
     
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  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Kabadayi is weird one for me, still not sure if he has long term future as W or CF. He has full package for CF and my issue with him and "dribbling" is that he's more of a space dribbler, have rarely seen him in close control dribbling. Guess will depend on whatever future club coaches he plays under.

    if we are talking Bayern, one could clearly see that Wanner, Ibrahimovic, Copado all had better technique than Kabadayi.

    he's also wasteful, how many times did Copado set him up just to shoot all over place in YL???

    and in terms of AM/W one would think reality that Wanner+Ibrahimovic are obviously ahead. So chances at Bayern=LOL and even Wanner+Ibrahimovic are loan candidates too.

    also in that article it mentioned his 1st team debut in Winter 2023 vs Salzburg in that game he should have scored 5-4 winning goal with a header than needed saving from GK.

    still talented player with great potential but Bayern is a waste of time, they won't integrate them all.

    I still think Bayern gonna have mass exodus in Summer as some free transfers (Aydin+Ranos) and then others will push for out. Another season in RL=good way to regress.
     
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  16. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Tillman & Vidovic are doing ok but ‘developing brilliantly’ is a slight exaggeration. I think it’s pretty unlikely either will make it at Bayern.

    Tbh for any youth at all to get fully integrated is very rare, Wanner probably has the best chance of making it at the club but even that isn’t guaranteed, especially if Bayern go for Wirtz in 2024.
     
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  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Bayern going for Wirtz is proof enough Bayern is a waste of time.

    the comedy gold of 1BL clubs.
    "If we had top talents we would play them."

    LMAO, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight....almost every 1BL club is full of shit and lie about these things and constantly shit on German youth to go transfers for German youth with pro exp or foreign youth to dev/sell. Reality less and less clubs even want to integrate.
     
  18. albert_mk87

    albert_mk87 Member+

    Aug 27, 2008
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    My god reading you whine and cry about Bayern is tiresome. Do you understand that Not every scratch that only like 5% of all this talents and hyped up players will really make it? When i say really make it im saying being on Bayern or close to Bayern level players so that they can play for the german nt. All of those talents who didn't got a chance at bayern bar 1,2 ended up being average players. Either you are special like musiala or simply you are not good enough for Bayern. How many talents were hyped up before and now play in 2BL etc.

    If one of players like Ibrahimovic,Wanner,Butchmann, Zvonarek etc ends up being a first team player at Bayern it will be a success because that how football works. Too many players are hyped up when young but rarely who makes it. Reading you whine you would think Germany should produce like 10-20 world class players a year. If it was so easy to leave up to the talent and hype then everyone would just promote. So how many young talented players are at every BL club? How come nobody actually managed to develop atleast someone close to Musiala. Germany is doing something wrong our most talented one was trained and developed in England.
     
  19. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    LMAO, what a laugh worthy post.

    whine and cry??? No its called "shitting on" your just confused, LOL.

    your a Bayern, am I supposed to be suprised that your triggered???
    I'm a Bayern fan with no problem of critizing/shitting on the club. Just like how I'm a Germany fan who shits 24/7 on DFB.

    and who the frick are you anyways? You never post in this thread and then come to CRY AND WHINE ABOUT OTHERS.....LOL, hypocrite.
     
  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Its always cringe as frick when other posters only come to post here to bitch about me instead of focusing on the topic.

    I call it as I see it. Agree or don't.....not my problem its simple. And I'm blunt and like to mock organizations, so what. If that hurts one feelings than put me on ignore, LOL.

    And I'm NOT the topic of conversation.

    always funny that its always the ones who come here to bitch about me are the ones who seem negative about German youth. Coincidence? Nope.

    I've said it more then enough what I think about German youth and the pool itself. You lot can believe what you like don't care and its just a sport at end of day. Nothing massively important, at end of day its all good and fun and nothing else.
     
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  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    PS Zvonarek LOL

    1-he's NOT German.........so NONE here gives a SHIT ABOUT HIM OR HIS DEV.
    2-He's NOT a Bayern youth product came from Croatian 1st division where he had pro exp and dumped to RL/II. Has more pro experience than every Bayern Academy youth not on loan.
     
  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    last post on this before I move on.

    Bayern hired Nagelsmann for his supposed youth work (NEVER EXISTED, LMAO) and I called BS and called it from day 1 that Nagelsmann isn't an integration coach.

    and I called it out over and over and over and over. While Kahn, Brazzo, etc were all still talking about Nagelsmann is gonna integrate from their $75+M Academy.................LMAO.

    fastforward March 2023, and based on all reports one of reason why Nagelsmann got fired because he was dev 0 young players. Wasn't doing much of anything on that front.

    not sure what to say that Bayern board and fans actually believed he was ever gonna do anything on that front. I mean was obvious from day 1, just looking at his track record.

    Nagelsmann is one of those many ex youth coaches who only coached youth to get into coaching aka starter job. Once he made it to 1BL-2BL, they don't give a shit about youth. Was always just to climb ladder.

    he's a trainning with 1st team>>>>>getting 1st min. Which is dumb as frick.
    "Oh I wish I could have played X or Y more as they did well in training but result didn't allow it."

    so even when players impress it means nothing to get chances.

    Hansi Flick was a clown coach when it came to Academy and same can be said for Nagelsmann. Why was Hansi always propping up the players with no REAL 1st prospect? And even Nagelsmann too many times you see players with 0 prospects training with 1st....

    or the stupid shit that every single open spot is taken by new transfers hence the youth will never get chances. Spending shit ton of money on worthless players instead of propping up your own, its pathetic and deserves criticism.

    And I wouldn't call it "hyping" players if Nagelsmann and co were praising Wanner, Ibra, Buchmann etc very very highly. But what's always missing is that consistant integration and final push.

    so they loan out players, that's nice and all but once they return there are NO open spots anyways. And they won't care much for non-top 4 leagues too.

    Bayern is a club with no real planning. They LOVE to extend with every player because they don't want to lose them, they want to make any profit even if small. They LOVE to block players from going on loan or perm out because they don't want to weaken U19 or II. They don't really care about their own players either. Its clear as daylight, its a waste of time club and its not coincidence that less and less German top talents are moving there. Because there is no planning and no prospects.

    Can tell you almost entire 2005 Core players and a TON of others outside of that had Bayern interest and all of them said NEIN. Imagine Bischof was stupid enough to go Bayern when Nagelsmann rates him highly when he can play XI in 1BL with Hoff....
     
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  23. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #19998 Alex C, Mar 31, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2023
    100% agree. Bayern pay lip service to relying more on the campus and integrating youth but in reality there is no clear pathway.

    When the Campus was opened 6 years ago, there was a lot of talk of how the club was gonna focus on producing a lot more local talent, and yet fast forward to last season and the percentage of minutes played by ‘homegrown’ Bayern players (most of that being Musiala who isn’t really club produced) was 10.3%, lower then clubs like Real, Barca, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Roma and many other top clubs. In fact 13 EPL clubs had higher percentages, which is a league with low levels of youth integration in general.

    You might say that isn’t a problem, which in terms of on pitch success is true, however the issue has been that Bayern routinely stockpiles talents from other German clubs and from all round the world, who then instead of being able to gain higher level experience and make earlier breakthroughs, get stuck in u19/II for too long and stagnate. This is a problem as it’s stunting the development of many promising players, the same happens at Dortmund to an extent as well.

    The good thing is more talents are refusing moves to these clubs, players like Bischof & Krattenmacher will be far better served breaking through at a smaller club and only considering a big move once they are established first teamers and require a decent fee to sign. Once that happens the smaller club gets better financially rewarded and the pressure is there to justify the fee so the coach will likely use them. My guess is both will make much quicker career progress then the 2 other top 05 talents Bayern have poached in the last couple of years, Buchmann (Augsburg) & Nkili (Hertha). I know there is talk of Buchmann being promoted to the pros next season, but as of now neither have even featured much if at all in the RL for the II team, playing almost exclusively u19. Surely for such highly rated youngsters at the very least playing regular 4th league football should be possible by this stage?

    By all accounts the real annoyance when it comes to using younger players with the Bayern board at Nagelsmann is his reluctance to give a lot of minutes to Gravenberch & Tel. Why? Because they cost a big fee. If they had been poached earlier for the u19 or whatever nothing would be said.

    You can also look at Adeyemi for example, if he had moved to Dortmund when he was an unknown youngster in the u17/u19 instead of establishing a reputation at Salzburg first my guess is he wouldn’t be a starter by this point. The fact he cost the club €30m means that even though he made a slow start he was always gonna get a chance to play a lot and find his form.
     
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  24. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I had strong feeling that Bayern integration was one of worst in all of Europe but didn't post as I wasn't for certain. Thanks for confirming that.

    also fun fact, Adeyemi, Krattenmacher, Pejcinovic were all kicked out of Bayern too. Pejcinovic a CF that all of Europe wanted before move to Wolfsburg in Summer was dumped out of Bayern when a lot younger as deemed not good enough, LOL. Adeyemi was kicked out for attitude issues and Krattenmacher was kicked out because supposedly his father was annoying Bayern.......Both got picked up by Unterhaching and Schwabl said that Krattenmacher's family were perfectly fine and not sure wtf Bayern is on about and he's also the one who pushed Adeyemi to get his shit together. But shows how Bayern doesn't really give a shit about their own. They wipe their hands clean if they aren't perfect kids.....garbage approach.

    Also Yildiz who went Juventus refusing to extend with Bayern was ALMOST cut out of Bayern for being very small but later on got a growth spurt during covid lockdown+he updated his physique=looked a LOT different and held a grudge for that almost cut too.

    fastforward and Bayern wanted all 3 back at club, LMAO. Why would they go back???

    Aseko is starting to play II but it took U19 to go out in U19 Sud/Sudwest, Junioren Cup and YL for him to get the RL jump. Was in squad for past 3 match including XI in most recent II match. Issue is seems to me like for rest of season he'll get RL/adult integration then next season=all season in RL then in Summer 2024 likely loan dump. That's not really great path for any youth. But yeah if Bayern U19 was more succesful he wouldn't have been upped to II....

    yeah true about Gravenberch and Tel. That they cost shit ton of money is why they get chances by default. But Academy youth who cost 0=good luck.
     
  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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