Tyler Adams at AFC Bournemouth

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  1. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    The Athletic and others are reporting Gnonto and Wober *may* be out for Arsenal, but the suggestion is not much longer, if even that long. That would be very lucky for Leeds. If you're going to miss a game, Arsenal is probably the one you give up anyway. Hopefully Wober is back and 100%. Gnonto was an ankle and seems less problematic - at least to the press.
     
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  2. ChicagoVT

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    Jun 26, 2019
    They played really well against Arsenal last time, maybe even looked the better side. However, I agree with you, they have no realistic chance this time around and if they are going to have guys miss a game, this one would be it.
     
  3. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    LeedsLive is reporting that the club is "optimistic" that both can feature vs Arsenal. There were also rumors that Wober's injury was exaggerated due to illness. Worth noting that Mckennie also had an illness and was "playing sick" vs. ES.

    No update on TA this morning, hopefully we'll hear more in the pre-match press.
     
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  4. Jazzy Altidore

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    Latest reports are a non-invasive hamstring surgery. Not sure what that even means. Steroid injection?
     
  5. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    I was thinking that it might've been a borderline strain/tear, and the treatment options were "5 weeks back to match fitness but no guarantee that it doesn't result in another injury" and "we do surgery to apply just a couple of stitches to the injury, which will result in a longer rehab BUT significantly smaller chance of re-injury".

    Another shower thought I had about this is that the injury could be super bad, needed surgery, and Leeds are keeping that part hush-hush so that they can more easily off-load Adams for a profit if they're unable to stay up. Saying that "they expect him healthy at the start of pre-season camp" is basically a signal to potential buyers that you won't be getting damaged goods.

    Ultimately, I'm not a doctor, and we don't have much information to go on, so just about any outcome is possible. But hopefully we'll hear more over the next few days, I'm sure Gracia will be asked about it.
     
  6. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I think the reports of "non-invasive" are likely *actually* meaning MIS (minimally invasive) surgery. Like the difference between laparoscopic to remove cartilage or break up scar tissue versus cutting and re-attaching torn hamstring strands to bone (invasive.)
     
  7. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Again, not a doctor, but my understanding is that the damage has to be pretty extreme to do anything but laparoscopic on tendons these days, but I hadn't considered that they could've been doing anything but reattachment. This is a pretty good guess.
     
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  8. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    My spousal unit had hamstring surgery a few years ago and there's often hip stuff/impingement involved as well. She had to have a bunch of strands reattached - and some dead wood cleared out - it's major surgery, in part because you cut through so many nerves. It takes the nerves a loooooong time to rewire so your impacted muscle is firing properly and the scarring is very, very hard (and can be painful) to break up. She made the mistake of running on hers after the initial tear way too long and too much, doing more damage than normal. Sometimes, her Doc said, they can just clear out the torn elements to keep them from impinging on the joint/hip and if the overall strand is still strong, getting blood etc. then you don't need/it doesn't help to reattach... but this is one person's experience. I got no real idea what TA is facing, obviously.
     
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  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    That's not really a huge benefit to anyone though because anyone who buys him is going to do a medical before finalizing the deal. It does not good for anyone if Leeds makes a deal to sell him that falls apart once the other team does a medical.
     
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  10. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
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    Oct 16, 2017
    Yeah, that theory is way more conspiratorial in nature, but I wasn't suggesting that Leeds would try and lie about the injury to push a transfer through... rather, I would imagine some scouts would stop tracking TA if they weren't sure he'd get a pre-season with a new club. Not disclosing the severity of the injury and saying "oh he'll def be ready for next season's pre-season camp" keeps that door at least somewhat open.

    Most likely they just don't know. Bodies are hard to predict.
     
  11. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

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    And as we’ve learned with both Weah and Reyna (and Adams previously), hamstring injuries in particular can be fickle and hard to predict.
     
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  12. SamsArmySam

    SamsArmySam Member+

    Apr 13, 2001
    Minneapolis, MN
    Horse placenta
     
  13. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

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    Mar 18, 2019
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    Yeah... hamstring recovery can vary a ton. Like Adams, Weah had surgery to repair his hammy:

    https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2020/02/29/usmnt-lille-americans-abroad-timothy-weah-ligue-1/

    It seems like Gio didn't... but his recovery process was terribly rocky. I am hoping that Adams' decision to get surgery helps in the long-run. At least when Weah did return he hadn't lost his explosiveness.
     
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  14. Jazzy Altidore

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    i thought we had an orthopedic surgeon around these parts?
     
  15. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Gio's recovery was screwed up by medical staff.
     
  16. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    After a decade+ watching this same narrative play out over and over again at BVB, I'm convinced that the training grounds are most likely cursed due to being built at the site of an ancient Germani burial ground.

    It's the only rational explanation... otherwise Dortmund would've tried overhauling it's medical staff to address the problem!
     
  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I believe they've got fired eventually, no?
     
  18. bct81

    bct81 Member+

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    moving around the US every few years ....
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    #5968 bct81, Mar 29, 2023
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    I am not a medical doctor.

    https://www.drchristo.com/minimally-invasive-repair-sports-medicine-specialist-frisco-tx.html

    "
    Proximal Hamstring Repair
    Hamstring avulsion is a serious injury that may require surgery. An avulsion repair may be needed to reattach the torn hamstring tendon back to its normal position. During the tendon avulsion repair, an incision is made on the skin over the attachment of the hamstring tendon to the pelvic bone. The torn end of the hamstring tendon is located and grasped with forceps. Then the hamstring muscles are pulled back to their normal attachment. Your surgeon will cut away any scar tissue surrounding the hamstring tendon. The ischial tuberosity, the point of origin of hamstring muscles, is prepared using an instrument called a bur. Then the tendon is reattached to the bone using staples or stitches.

    If there is a complete tear within the muscle, an incision is made over the back of your thigh and the torn ends are reattached using sutures.

    After surgery, you may need to use crutches and possibly a brace to protect your repair and keep it in a relaxed position. Your doctor will advise physical therapy, involving gentle stretching exercises, to restore normal function. Rehabilitation period of at least 3 to 6 months may be needed before returning to athletic activities.
    "

    is that what they are referring to - non or minimally invasive .... maybe he has a partial tear?

    that would explain his end of this season but being ready for next pre season ... partial reattachment and scar tissue removal and so forth and 3 month recovery (that would take him to 1 July)

    plus more info:

    https://www.orthomedctr.com/arthroscopic-hamstring-repair.php

    "
    Advantages of Arthroscopic Hamstring Repair
    Arthroscopy is a minimally invasive procedure that offers many benefits to the patient over traditional surgery. During an arthroscopic hamstring repair, the necessary equipment, all of which is miniaturized, is inserted through a small incision into the problem area. A thin fiberoptic light, a magnifying lens, a tiny camera, and small surgical tools allow the surgeon to examine the injury in detail and make repairs with precision.

    Advantages of arthroscopic hamstring repair include:

    • Smaller incisions
    • Less bleeding during surgery
    • Less scarring
    • Faster recovery
    • Reduced risk of infection
    • Reduced risk of complications
    • More comfortable rehabilitation
    One of the most important benefits of arthroscopic hamstring repair is that, through magnification, the surgeon can more precisely visualize the sciatic nerve. Avoiding this nerve is crucial. In previous standard operations, the sciatic nerve was sometimes damaged, resulting in serious complications.
    "

    for arthroscopic it says rehab begins 6 weeks after the procedure (so that would be mid May to start rehab).
     
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  19. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Before the injury, is it fair to say he'd be in the running for Leeds Player of the Season?
     
  20. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

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    I think he likely would have won that honor based on his consistent form. Such a shame.
     
  21. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
  22. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Gracia is still playing coy about whether Adams' season is actually done: https://theathletic.com/4364398/2023/03/30/leeds-injury-news-gnonto-wober-adams/

    Other outlets reported a longer version of the quote:
    This version makes it sound like Tyler hasn't even had the surgery yet? But yeah, still no firm news :(
     
  23. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    If there is even a realistic chance he plays another minute this season it is not very invasive hamstring surgery. Dunno if they're being straight, but hamstring rehab is usually pretty long.
     
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  24. Jazzy Altidore

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    Weah didn’t make a “decision” to get surgery. His muscle was torn from the bone.
    In contrast Gio didn’t have a complete tear that would indicate surgery AFAIK.

    We have no information on what’s going on with Adams yet.
     
  25. Jazzy Altidore

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    Yeah he’s out until the next season.
     

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