Pre-match: Can't believe it took this long for this thread, the 2024 Presidential election thread!

Discussion in 'Elections' started by ceezmad, Nov 7, 2020.

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Who will be the 2 Candidates for the 2 big parties in 2024

  1. Joe Biden

    31 vote(s)
    60.8%
  2. Kamala Harris

    13 vote(s)
    25.5%
  3. Bernie Sanders

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  4. Ted Cruz

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  5. Donald Trump (from prison)

    20 vote(s)
    39.2%
  6. One of the Trump idiots

    4 vote(s)
    7.8%
  7. A Never Trump Republican

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  8. The dude from Florida (not florida man)

    6 vote(s)
    11.8%
  9. A Trumpian Republican

    9 vote(s)
    17.6%
  10. Hail Grimes!

    8 vote(s)
    15.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Haven't seen anything recently, but a few weeks ago got some stuff via my apps, and it was the Dems version of how the Reps attacked Barnes. I don't know enough about the part of Kelly you mention, but I think the messaging is a lot more effective. I mean, gloves off and all.
     
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  2. soccernutter

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    She does lean into the "viral" trap every now and then, but she seems to have learned from some mistakes and has matured as a politician. That said, when there is a moment that needs to be made, she is among the top go-tos in that regard.
     
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  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is the problem of asymmetric media.

    Communicating through the MSM is still important, but you need to be able to connect directly with your own voters.

    GOP can communicate via MSM but also through right wing propaganda channels. So they get 2 bites of the cherry, and can also define issues and believes outside of the mainstream framework

    We've seen this around here with the crazy things they come to believe, and no amount of MSM coverage can change that.
     
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  4. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    Who the ******** is that bumbling idiot? I totally consider Metballs Ron as if not more dangerous to democracy than TFG. Furthermore, Trump would be much easier to beat in 2024.

    Democratic megadonor Reid Hoffman is exploring ways to edge Donald Trump out of the GOP presidential primary, Puck reports.
    “Hoffman’s team is currently studying early voting states — party registration requirements, demographic groups, state G.O.P. nominating rules, media ecosystems, etcetera — to see where they can move the needle. And if they do inadvertently elect a President DeSantis? I’m told that Hoffman and adviser Dmitri Melhorn, at a high level, don’t view the Florida governor as an existential threat to democracy, unlike Trump, and believe he may even have the ability to successfully govern.”
     
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  5. bigredfutbol

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    That is peak #LiberalWhiteGuy right there. I'm struggling to understand looking at DeSantis in power and having 'govern successfully' as my primary takeaway.

    Just took a peek at his Wikipedia page; he's an internet entrepreneur (I didn't know he was a co-founder of LinkedIn, which shows you how little I follow Silicon Valley) whose " first job was an internship at Inglenook, a winery in Napa Valley."
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

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    Hoffman is one of the good guys - huge supporter of liberal causes.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    I agree it shows how much fascism is priced in, but I also agree with the never trump crowd that if you had to have one of them, then it has to not be trump. trump is guaranteed autocracy
     
  8. bigredfutbol

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    We all have our blind spots. That just seems to be a glaring one (but he's hardly the only prominent liberal we can say that about).
     
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  9. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    She is just delusional........ What a tool! That woman makes my skin crawl.

    Nikki Haley provided a small glimpse at her strategy for defeating Donald Trump in the Republican primary, noting that he had a “hard 25%” support, CBS News reports.

    Said Haley: “There are 75% other Republicans there that are looking for a place to be.”


    She added that she doesn’t plan to do “big rallies” on her campaign: “You have to go and answer the hard questions. You have to go face to face. You can’t fly in and fly out. And I believe the American people want you to earn their vote. I don’t think they’re gonna give it.”
     
  10. charlie15

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    I can't stop laughing at this ........ " Centrist" is doing a lot of work here. What the ******** John Harris is smoking>? Since when the GOP base was interested in " centrist"? Younkin is a centrist may be news for Virginians as well. :D

    The Case for Glenn Youngkin in 2024

    John Harris: “The Virginia governor offers two things Republicans need: A non-hostile alternative to Trump and a compelling centrist challenge to Biden.”
     
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  11. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    A centrist means a conservative who doesn't openly advocate the violent overthrow of the US government.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    True handmaiden of fascism
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    I mean this is actually a true statement?

    One of the main differences between Ron and Trump is that Ronald Trump doesn't advocate for insurrection and overturning the '20 election - at least not anymore. Yet it's not something RDS ever makes a point of. They just know its poison.
     
  14. soccernutter

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    The question is centrist relevant to what? To were we are at this moment, sure. But that is only because the Republican Party "policies" are far right, and the 30% cult exists and votes. But to the rest of us, Yuongkin is MAGA-lite.
     
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  15. charlie15

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    Those numbers are not good news from Meatballs Ron and his boosters!

    A new Fox News poll finds Donald Trump has doubled his lead in the Republican primary since February and is up by 30 points over Ron DeSantis, 54% to 24%.
    Last month, Trump was up by 15 points, 43% to 28%.
    No one else hits double digits. Mike Pence comes in third with 6%.
     
  16. xtomx

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    Not relevant at the moment.
    These polls (like most politics opinion polls) are simply mathturbation at this point.

    Trump is and will be the front runner by a wide margin until something happens with him.

    If he is not indicted and convicted, he is the nominee.

    If he is, then let's see how the polls go.

    I think the bigger story is that DeSantis has 4 times the percentage as the number 3, despite not making a peep about actually running.
     
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  17. soccernutter

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    I hadn't realized, until last week, that he had not formally announced. Says something about him and his movement that, without announcing, he is a solid candidate.
     
  18. xtomx

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    He is "smart" not to announce.
    As I stated he can sit back and wait. If/when there is an indicted, he announces the next day and, instantly, becomes the de facto frontrunner.
     
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  19. Q*bert Jones III

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    Indictment doesn't hurt Trump's chances one vote. Come to think of it neither does a guilty verdict.
     
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  20. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Well, he won't be convicted by the general election next year. His lawyers have mastered the fine art of dragging things out
     
  21. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    As far as I remember it also has not been figured or decided conclusively whether or not a sitting President can pardon themselves.
     
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  22. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    With the current AG his lawyers didn't have to be too artsy for this to happen.
     
  23. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    *nudgenudge* There are 2 other DAs working cases against Trump as well. One of which has been investigating since 2018 and the other since 2021..
     
  24. Kazuma

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    I'm not big on polls, but it's telling that Fox is already going back to being more supportive of Trump.
     
  25. rslfanboy

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    We’ll see how it goes!
     

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