While the blame for a potential trophyless season must be shouldered by both Flo/board and the coaching staff, the truth is that Carlo had more than adequate tools to do much better in La Liga. Alas, his track-record in domestic leagues says enough. Losing the league in mid-March by 12 points and losing 3x clasicos in 3 months against an average Barcelona side while repeating the same mistakes over and over expecting different results is unacceptable and embarrassing. He'd play Xavi 100 times and the odds are he'd lose 99 times then come out and say we "deserved" to win citing Pique-esque excuses . The board asked him to use Castilla talents who proved themselves in the brief moments they got and he systematically ignored them. That's purely on him. You can't ask the board for support when you haven't even attempted to utilize the options they've prescribed. Lest we forget, Carlo went on record multiple times to say we didn't need any players and that the squad was complete. Being a puss will bite you in the ass, eventually. What's funny is that the same people asking for the club to hold on to Carlo even after a potential trophyless season are the same ones that said we didn't need any signings in the summer and that the club's transfer strategy is "excellent". Now, when Carlo sh!t the bed (like many of us predicted he would), it's the damn club that didn't reinforce the roster Bro, I don't even know who Nieglesmann is (nor am I bothered to find the correct spelling of the guy's name). At the end of the day, if he doesn't win the CL this season, Carlo's out the door. Welcome to Real Madrid.
Florentino went through a trove of coaches while not winning for 5 consecutive years. That, is also part of his and the clubs legacy.
I’m one of Carlo’s biggest fans and he’ll be one of the greatest coaches of all time when he’s done, but his second stint has exposed his weaknesses quite clearly. Squad management wise, he has been abysmal. The squad has holes, but he’s also the one that continued to give minutes to Mariano and Hazard over Alvaro and Arribas, and has refused to give any consideration to Vinicius Tobias. They may not be game changers, but they’re also the future and a better investment of time. Tactically, the team has no identity. The team is reliant on Benzema and Vinicius, who are both isolated and have to will the team sheerly based on talent. Last year’s CL run was mostly off of vibes and little to do with what the coaching staff were drawing up. The team has some of the best young talent in the world, and we need a coach that will mould them into taking the next big step.
What we need is Solari for 6 months. Let him come in a give the youth players playing time and confidence and THEN bring in Zidane once they’ve established themselves and have him win a CL
Out of all the coaches, he was really the best at giving the young players time and confidence. People are harsh on him but he played a role. we can’t have it both ways. Carlo and Zidane if you want to win, but it’ll be with the old guard. If you want to develop young players, they are not the guys. Unless you can somehow get a mix of both
I agree. Carlo and Zidane didn’t give youth a chance. Don’t think Solari is the answer though. Carlo should get this season and if he wins the CL, continue next season. Nobody out there available
Why can’t we have both? There is a balance that can be struck with integrating young players into even the fringes of the squad rather than playing players who have no future here. The other young players are already well integrated into the squad.
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I like the consistency of Carlo's League record being relevant in this thread, but the League being "rigged by Barca" in other threads.
There are three managers I absolutely want Real Madrid to avoid: Jose Mourinho Antonio Conte Mauricio Pochettino. If those three are the final options, Real might as well run it back another year with Carlo.
That is true if we win the CL. Its not like last year was some great technical display of real madrid, it was mostly individual brilliance, experience of our players and luck. This will get complicated if we end up with no trophy this season, there will be more pressure on Perez to do something, and if you are not planning on signing new players, the next cheapest and best thing is to change the coach.
Who are we changing the coach for though? Zidane isnt coming back yet, he likes his teams at their peak. Tuchel is now gone. What’s next, Poch and Xabi? Meh. Not proven anything in the game as yet. Just stick with Carlo ffs.
Zidane’s second term was just as miserable as some are making out Carlos here. Let’s not forget that. Zidane likes his teams made. This squad is nowhere near made and I’d be making sure this squad doesn’t have Kroos or Modric around before he does because we know what he’s like with the old guard aswell.
True, but not the role which 99% of the fans want, and that is to win, that's the bottomline for this team, so fans that are calling for younger players and Castilla players to play, well the coach has to balance that with the same fans anger when we do not win, that's what all coaches have to deal with here, no matter who comes and what their approach is, they have to win Just look at right now, the team is still in with a chance to win 2 trophies including the CL and in second place in the league but from reading it feels like the team is completely dead, mid table and out of all comps, that's the measure of how much the demand is to win. The younger players have without question played much more this season, but despite the quality they possess, consistency is lacking, that requires time, time is a scarce commodity at Madrid precisely because we always demand that the team plays well and wins, and the older players are "older" hence we are where we are, We demand the team always win, always dominate, always play fantastic football, no player makes mistakes ....always, i don't think any coach is capable of achieving this whether bringing young player through or relying on older players, we'll always be there or thereabouts but the anger when we do not dominate the league or the CL will always be there i imagine, no matter the coach. my two cents
I can go to bed and rest easy if it's Zidane or Carlo on the bench. Nobody is perfect, but them two are a strength to the team they coach, not a weakness.
Although I'd like something new, whenever I remember ZZ speeches and smiles after each title, I can't help but want him back, haha. What a legend, man. What a ********ing legend.
So Carlo's got enough class not to throw inexperienced castilla players to the lions and repays veterans with the dignity and respect of "defending" the titles they won less than a year ago and are still in contention for. But yeah that's Carlo, we already knew that he has enough confidence in his own managerial abilities to resist asking for help. So the smart thing would have been to recognize weaknesses in the team and reward his previous seasons success with additions to strengthen those areas of the team.
The "veterans" were talking about are Mariano, Ordiozola and Carvajal LMFAO. The latter is absolutely cooked and is essentially playing against the team. AFAIK these veterans are repaid in millions of Euros by the club, to insist on playing them at the expense of the team and its results is a crime especially considering what Alvaro, Arribas and Tobias can/have bring/bought to our game. Last year's results/titles have no bearing on the fact that Carlo has made significant mistakes (and insists on them) that ultimately cost us the league title. Our persistent attacking imbalance, lack of width from fullbacks and one-sided game mentality are all on Carlo. Our squad is far better than what we've seen on the pitch particularly in La Liga. Also, Carlo himself hasn't recognized the weaknesses in our team. A. He's satisfied with our performances in the 3x clasicos saying we were the "better" team (and that shows with the repeated mistakes) and B. He was happy with the squad in the summer/winter and firmly insisted we didn't need any reinforcements.