The circular rationalizations many of us have been making is startling. And let me point out that I’ve been guilty too. To wit: Pablo can’t consistently get us beyond playoff one and out because Fall mismanaged the roster. BUT, Pablo is mismanaging the roster and hasn’t given the team an identity beyond xDawg. See how the status quo cannot resolve itself satisfactorily? Something has to change. The choice that has the best chance of improving the roster and play is to replace both of them. Yes, it has the chance to fail… but the status quo isn’t acceptable.
I agree with this post too. It would be a massive gamble. If everyone remembers, early on JK was perceived to be failing too and was almost a massive gamble that lost.. On this board there was almost a consensus that he needed to be replaced. BUT, in desperation he decided to try the Diamond. Add to that his collaboration with his friend Lagerwey to agree on an identity and build a roster to that identity. The rest is history. Without Lagerwey I doubt it would have worked out. I really think that both positions need to be upgraded.
I agree. It's a big decision though isn't it. If we could watch the game and see what ever it is that Pablo is trying to do by the play on the field I know I would feel better but after almost two seasons worth of games RSL has really no discernable identity and style of play outside of hustle, hustle, hustle. If you could see what RSL is trying to do and played like a team then I would say hey, why can't Elliot get this guy players to improve the system we're committed to playing? As it is looking at the roster you could ask Elliot the same question, what style of play are you bringing in players to play? It kind of looks like players are brought in a bit helter skelter hoping that the coach will then make it work with whatever system it is they are choosing to play. It's an indictment on both parties and if you could say hey, this is the style we are trying to play and the GM can't get the players to improve the system I would put it on the GM. If you could say that the GM has brought in a group of players that make sense to play in certain style/s and the coach can't make it work then you lean towards the coach being the issue. As it stands the issue seems to be on both. We don't have a system and we have brought in players that don't seem to fit as a group. It's kind of weird. It's a big decision to make but if we're not in a much better place by the end of April after the transfer window and 3 of 5 games at home then I could see some changes needing to be made. I hope really hope that it doesn't come to that but where is the evidence that it will get better?
Well stated. To all of the above I will add that had we seen an improving team over the course of last season, I would be advocating for them to have more time. But, we didn’t see improvement, did we? And what we saw has carried into this season.
I'm also in the group of bring in people from outside. I would understand promoting from within, but only after you've been successful for awhile. At least then the promotions are people from a winning system, and will hopefully continue that. Promoting from a weak group will likely continue that trend.
@goobx1 dare Tyler to go an entire podcast without complaining about refs Sure, St. Louis should have had a few more cards, it wasn’t changing this game. It’s exhausting to hear him point to refs every single game
It’s especially baffling when you hear all the stories of how DLH put in a bunch of unqualified yes men…
Wasatch Soccer Sentinel’s player ratings. Generally they are lower than WhoScored and SofaScore ratings. In some cases REALLY lower. For example WSS graded Brody 4.75 while the other two graded his game 6.3 and 6.2 respectively. I agree with the Sentinel…he had a terrible night. https://www.wasatch.soccer/post/2023-03-27/100/player-ratings-real-salt-lake-st-louis
I will. He’s getting better. I think his complaint was fair though that the ref could have been quicker to show yellow on more than one occasion in the first half. None of us thought it would have changed the outcome but did have an affect in the game. Like I said in the episode it looks like StLC has a similar theory of play like KC where you play the game in a way that dares the ref to make calls assuming that he’s not going to call them all so you can get away with 20 fouls and only 2 yellows. We talk about the officiating a bit with the goal to show that there are so few calls over a season that actually have a negative impact on a teams season. But you can’t do that without talking about officiating each game. We’re working on having a guest on that Tyler knows that sounded a lot like Tyler talking about Refs until he got involved with reffing and now works to train refs. Looking forward to that conversation.
I understand that frustration. Yeah, the ref should have cautioned one or two more of their players But take the blinders off: rsl is a chippy team too. have been since Kreis was in charge. RSL also dives A TON. I believe at least 3 or 4 of the “fouls” from St. Louis were Kreilach falling down as the wind gust came through. julio dove in the first half. My section is perpendicular to the box on the south end. There was no contact on that play. laslty, refs aren’t calling penalties unless they are absolutely sure it is one. That’s always been the case. Var doesn’t change that.
My analysis of this 2023 RSL season Zany action plan: Maybe we can bribe Hunter to get Joseph to veto the Herrera trade…(still salty - and yes there’s more going South than that).
I appreciate the feedback and for listening. I take it seriously because we really want to have a good maybe even great podcast that fans want to listen to win or loose. I did go back and listen and would say that our discussion on the officiating was rather general about how games are officiated and how teams that play like St. Louis or SKC use pressure, physical play, demonstrations on the pitch in a way that can affect officiating. Kind of like how Chara gets away with a ton by being a great player with a great smile which allows him to get away with murder. The point was that if the ref had given out a yellow on St. Louis in the first half it would have or could have improved how the game was played AND NOT THE OUTCOME. We did say that it wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the game but would have made it a better game to watch esthetically on the pitch. Lol Also, to his credit Tyler said initially he didn’t think that the foul by Dami was not a yellow but after they showed the replay he was like yea, Dami caught him and wiped him out so yea, it’s a yellow. Also on the dive/pk from Julio we all wished he would’ve just stayed on his feet and weren’t really advocating for the pk but rather for more info for fans in the stand to know it’s being looked at instead of just playing on which is probably a bit of wishful thinking on his part. We also, and by we I mean Brennan have nothing good to say about Dami and his constant flopping which is what he seems to be reduced to nowadays. He needs to sit and I have no idea why he was extended now if at all ? We really appreciate people listening and the feedback but I thought we didn’t have anything negative to say about the Ref and it was more a discussion on how games are reffed. Maybe it’s just me but I would be curious to know if others felt the same. Thanks again for the feedback.
I've found in my own life that when I think I am "just" making a point in a specific context, that any habit I have of talking about a similar topic is heard on the aggregate - "there goes Ismitje again." I think that's what happened this week.
I would amend this to say that RSL hasn’t been chippy for several seasons now, especially when compared to play during JK’s reign. It was my biggest problem with the team’s attitude against SLCSC. As someone earlier posted, SLCSC reminded me of the SKC teams of the early to mid 2010s, with the addition of Connor Casey up front. RSL went toe to toe with those teams and gave back as much as they received. They had BITE, and every other team knew it. Saturday all I seemed to see was RSL players get pushed around with an exception here and there. I haven’t seen what I consider to be consistently aggressive play for several seasons.
I like this feedback. We should be more specific in defining how we are talking about the officials. Over all I thought Allatin do a fine job other than a yellow card or two that could have been called but as we pointed out it wouldn't have matter who won the game. For the record I am a staunch ref lover so there's that...
Just going to say that Jim Curtain hasn't signed a contract extension in Philly. Get him after the season? Give him whatever he wants?
If xDawg isn’t chippy play then nothing is. Everton luiz was a hack. Pablo Ruiz certainly has that quality in him too. We’re not at the Beckerman days of shithousery but this team isn’t a bunch of saints out there. I’d really challenge folks to watch the next few rsl games in any sort of objective way possible. This team participates in dark arts just as much as anyone else
This @goobx1 if the officiating wasn’t brought up every podcast with the tone of “these guys are messing up” as it is from Tyler it wouldn’t trigger me. My larger point is that there was 90 mins of soccer from rsl to talk about and what the ref did or didn’t do was far from the highlight. But you guys spent a decent amount of time talking about it. Just don’t even go there. Talk about the soccer. A helpful piece of advice I’ve coached into kids I coach: what makes a foul a foul? The ref blowing the whistle. Move on and don’t spend time dwelling on it.
I didn’t mean to imply they are timid or soft. They are sort of average or a bit less than as a group. And, yes, I’m recent years there have been a handful of players who were/are consistently aggressive. However, I am completely sure that JK’s teams would have rung up as many fouls as St. Louis the other night. And most of them would have been hard fouls.