England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Dec 12, 2022.

  1. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Capello did exactly the same thing as Hodgson: great in the qualifiers, but terrible in the tournament. He had a good fluid team, but in the World Cup he switched to the stiffest 4-4-2 with Gerrard on the left wing (!), his squad was like if he was deliberately looking for the oldest and slowest team in the tournament: he left all the players with a bit of speed and or technique at home, including Walcott and Adam Johnson, who was in the form of his life at the time. Still Capello is to be respected for his past achievements, but Hodgson has been a laughing stock ever since.
     
  2. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Sven had centrebacks coming out of his arse and 3 or 4 world class midfielders also not forgeting a bol d'or winning striker. oh and Wayne Rooney.
     
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  3. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I think we played a similar system to qualifying but it didn’t work because our main player was severely unfit. Meaning the system fell in on itself. Also we lost important CB’s and our main hold up target man didn’t work.

    I doubt Adam Johnson or Walcott are changing much. Again that squad wasn’t good enough. Didn’t have a confirmed keeper, injuries at CB, players out of form and real lack of quality in too many areas.
     
  4. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I said squad DEPTH. Had it at CB but that was about it.
     
  5. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    And Midfield Gerrad,Lampard,Scoles Beckham. Hargraves,Carrick. I'm sure I've missed someone. The only thing we were missing was a left sided midfielder.
     
  6. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    I didn't say a different manager had won the tournament, that time England was already on the way down. But it still shouldn't have ended in an embarrassment.
    Also don't think Walcott was a world beater, but still he had that hat-trick in Zagreb, but Capello left him home and took Shaun Wright-Phillips instead. Can we imagine something similar about Southgate? Luckily no.
     
  7. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    I still get angry about Lampards ghost goal. It could have been a totally different game if we went in at halftime at 2-2.
     
  8. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Capello was good I. Qualifying but awful at the wc

    stale 442 no movement or pace, awful

    we had the players for years to play a 433 or a 4231 but always stuck with 2 up top
     
  9. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
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    Sven had far superior squad depth in my opinion. More world class CBs and CMs than he knew what to do with.
     
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  10. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Hargreaves on came around towards the end for one tournament.
    Nobody competently covered for Beckham.
    Carrick underwhelmed in his appearances and never cemented a role. This is why we always ended up with the awful Gerrard/Lampard combo because nobody stepped up.

    I don’t think we had sufficient cover because even our starters underwhelmed too often.
     
  11. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I would only agree on CB. Maybe CM when Hargreaves came along. The rest of the squad was really lacking.
     
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  12. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Our central midfield "depth" right now though is Kalvin Phillips who's played 55 minutes of premier league football all season, Conor Gallagher who's if we're being charitable a squad player at his club, and to some extent Mason Mount who's spent the vast majority of his Chelsea career not actually playing as a proper midfielder.

    Even of our starting central midfielders, Bellingham is not yet round the level of '06 Lampard and Gerrard, and thoguh I like Declan Rice he's absolutely nowhere near that conversation.

    Carrick and Hargreaves from back then would walk into our current starting 11, yet alone squad.
     
  13. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    My coverage keeps freezing
     
  14. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I was talking about whether Sven himself had specific CM depth to be successful. Rather than comparing it to Southgate’s situation. CM has obviously been Southgate’s biggest problem in depth/quality.

    Before that I was generally talking about depth as a whole squad. There are forwards and attackers that don’t even make our squads that would be options getting game time under Sven or Capello. We didn’t have many options at all that could impact offensively in those eras. Keeper was always an issue and fullback replacements.

    CM was better in those eras but hardly exceptional or long lasting either.
     
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  15. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Completely disagree. Give Me pickford over Robinson any day. Give me Bellingham over Lampard or Gerrard. Give me kane over Rooney or Owen. This is a better spine. Gerrard and Lampard were vastly overrated for England.
     
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  16. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Rice would walk into the England 06 side. Lampard and Gerrard flattered to deceive In most England games. Carrick was criminally underused. He was the player we miss now. Rice is better than Hargreaves. The squad strength under sven is nowhere near the level we have now. We relied on player like vassell lennon to come off the bench. We now have the likes of foden Grealish rashford to potentially come in. Sancho can't even get in the squad
     
  17. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    You’d pick bladdy Rice ahead of Gerard / Lampard / Scholes / Beckham !!!

    Behave

    Rice wouldn’t have made that squad
     
  18. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Your hatred of Rice clouds your judgment. Him sitting with Gerrard or lampard in front would have been far more effective than Gerrard and lampard together. Rice is world class
     
  19. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
     
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  20. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    At what … running around and pointing to who the players on the ball should pass to ( they normally ignore his suggestion which is telling in itself )


    Bellingham is amazing but I just don’t get the fuss surrounding Rice
     
  21. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Have u not watched him. Against Italy he broke up the play. Made crucial tackles and interceptions. Brings the ball out. I think u are the only one who doesn't appreciate him
     
  22. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    They all played for top clubs and played better at there clubs then for England.
     
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  23. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    France beat Ireland by a hard-fought one-nil. Is half the fans there calling for Deschamps to resign?
     
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  24. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Just shows even the best teams can find it hard to break teams down
     
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  25. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    A few amendments I'd like to make to my post after the Ukraine game. After watching maddison again i was too harsh on his performances. It reminded me of griezzmann against England at the world cup. Finding those pickets of space. Also too harsh on southgate's who is definitely learning.
     
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