News: Seleção General Discussion 2023 [R]

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by Ombak, Jan 20, 2023.

  1. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    The list is very strange. Or random, as you say

    Several players in good shape in Europe, and who need to introduce themselves to the Brazilian fans, were ignored. Like Gabriel Martinelli or Bruno Guimaraes. They are available. No Flamengo players either

    There are 3 or 4 CBF presidents arrested recently.
    Coach is interim, got nothing to lose

    I mean, 1+1 +1= Reasonable suspicions.

    Though I understand it's an uncomfortable subject to discuss. But in this case it seems obvious what the CBF is doing.

    Speaking about football, it's a good match for Vini Jr to start producing in the national team. His numbers (goals, assists) are very low with Brazil (2g, 1a in 19 games). It's his chance.
     
  2. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I don't think it's 1+1, I think it's making stuff up and distracting. It's not uncomfortable. We've talked about things like that before.

    Unless there's some real reporting into the things you mention, I think this stuff is far more interesting:
    We don't know the starting lineup, but it's clear Vini and Rodrygo will play. They could have Vitor Roque in between them, or Rony/Antony on the right, or even Raphael Veiga in midfield as options.

    But Rodyrgo and Vini, besides Casemiro in the middle and maybe Militão in defense, look like the pieces that are for sure going to be a big part of our next 3 years and it will be exciting to watch them against such a solid opponent.

    Today's press conferences were for the coach and captain (Casemiro):
    https://ge.globo.com/futebol/seleca...-seriedade-em-amistoso-aqui-e-a-selecao.ghtml
     
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  3. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  4. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Nice call up, but perplexed how Vitor Roque was chosen over Gabigol and Pedro, and the elimination of Everton Ribeiro, but it's still very early. Glad to see Rony in there. Sorry, but still a very bad taste in my mouth with Rodrygo and you know why, but I'll get over it.

    Anybody catch the Argentina festival vs the 2nd team Panama, really beautiful celebration.
    And the commotion of Messi when leaving the Argentinian steakhouse? He went out through the front just to greet the public, class act.
     
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  5. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  6. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Brasil vs Morocco - 1X1 so far. Not pretty.
     
  7. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    2X1 Morocco, unreal. Possession 52% Morocco 48% Brasil.
     
  8. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I guess Morocco's run in the WC was not a fluke.
     
  9. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Here come the Oley's. Oh shit, this is sad.
     
  10. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    They put the guy from america mg with 2 minutes left in the game. It's to say that the player played in the Brazilian national team and thus increases sales.

    Andrey doesn't have a game in the first division and Bruno Guimaraes is available

    CBF is incredibly corrupt
     
  11. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    Emerson Royal and Rony were so mediocre. Andrey Santos has potential.
     
  12. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It was because Emerson was injured and we had 10 men on the field. Come on.
     
  13. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'm going to start with general football program/CBF stuff first:

    This game was not available in the US because now that the Pitch contract is over CBF has not yet negotiated the rights to upcoming Brazil matches with broadcasters.

    That's a missed opportunity for some income and "brand" exposure, but in the end it's just one friendly.

    The priority is still to find a coach and director for the full 2026 cycle and that effort is going to ramp up again now, as the President goes to Europe to interview candidates after this match.

    The match on its own isn't that important. However, it exposes Brazil's long term problem: there is no development plan or structure in place. Once again, we have to build on Tite's structure and promote more of a coherent plan between youth and senior teams to see long term results.

    That's just general stuff, again, this friendly is not a big deal on its own, but individual matches like this expose the lack of a coherent structure beyond what one coaching team brings.
     
  14. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    As for the match itself, the result isn't a surprise, if you pay any attention to football beyond Brazil. The result also doesn't matter. Ramon wasn't staying even if he won 10x0 (he might return later if he did well, but he wasn't staying).

    What do we take from the match? In addition to the structural issue I mentioned above, individual performances, and projections for future prospects. Andrey and Vitor Roque belong, at least long-term, if not today. Emerson needs a lot of work if he's going to be a viable option, but frankly so does our offense on the right side. Antony and Raphinha are, I think, good backup options. If Rodrygo is the long-term option, that's fine, but he's an armador/reference for other players, not a ponta. We don't have to play with a ponta on the right but we do have to figure that balance out.

    Defense was exposed, but that's to be expected with a new coach and with half the starting line-up changed. You don't win against good teams in our region, nor Europe or Africa, or even the good ones in Asia and CONCACAF, just by showing up. Also, we need to be more composed and less hot-headed. Yes, Morocco were a tough team, but Brazil still acts too entitled on the field. We need more humility.
     
  15. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Quick note about the other poor performer: Paquetá. I'll defend him overall on this squad, but his move to West Ham was questionable and he's not having a great season. He should have stayed at Lyon if that was his only option.
     
  16. aerez

    aerez Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Video analyzing how the Selecao comes up against a new form of effective modern defending that was set by Morrocco itself. Incorporate elements and strategies into Brazil defending philosohy itself. Wrong way to go? You did mention the back was exposed again, so maybe not.

    my 2 cents.
     
  17. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Well, I provided my own answer in that post, but you're not wrong. The good news is that among the staff Brazil has analysts who work for CBF, not just part of Ramon Menezes' team. They are part of the structure Tite put in place during his tenure. Hopefully they can provide the continuity I always argue we need.
     
  18. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I will agree that this match was meaningless. But it still sucks to lose, but remember Morocco took 4th in the WC making history.
    I was in Morocco for a country tour before the pandemic hit, and it is the most amazing beautiful country. When ever there was a local football match, the bars and restaurants were packed, mostly men. Their love for Futebol was a real eye opener for me.
     
  19. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  20. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Morocco is a very good team, I must say.
    However, Brazil has such difficulty to score one single goal. At the World Cup, since 2002, when it mattered (against France, The Netherlands, Belgium and Croatia) Brazil is unable to score even one lonely goal or a second goal in the case of Belgium. Rather shocking.
     
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  21. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I know. Pathetic. Maybe with a foreign coach, we shall see.
     
  22. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    There were definitely some bad misses that could have rescued a draw or even a win, but it would have been undeserved. Still, it shows the quality of our play at times when we can put players in those positions often enough despite an overall poor performance.
     
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  23. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Didn't catch the match but not surprised by the result. Seen comments that we played horrible but others saying that it wasn't that bad. Some bad defensive fails on those 2 conceded goals. But Casemiro's goal was also massive failure by their GK who seemed to be doing everything to hand us the match.

    Also saw Rodrygo almost score an amazing goal but the GK showed up on that one with a great save.
     
  24. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Rodrygo on social media.

    E não tem como não falar do meu ídolo, @neymarjr ! Essa camisa é sua e estamos torcendo pela sua recuperação. Obrigado por tudo! Do peixão pro mundo…

    I get it they are friends and he wants Neymar to come back well ... but damn, this doesn't sound like a player who has the ambition to be central to the team. It's like he knows he is never going to be good enough to wear that shirt. Not the right mentality IMO.
     
  25. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    According to Portugal based media Record, Julio César (former Brazil GK) is on his way to Portugal (I thought he lived there but OK ...) to negotiate with JJ. Even before this news came out, I saw some journalists speculate that CBF would freak out after the loss to Morocco and not play the waiting game for Ancelotti.

    JJ wants out of Turkey and his contract expires in 2 months.
     

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