Argentines who play for other national teams: would they make Argentina's squad?

Zapelli can always do an about-face. He’s under that age limit and would not even have to wait the three years period(Which is the case for the senior side). Belgrano and himself are using this for him to get exposure.


But you bring up a point that I didn’t think about until now. Clubs will be willing to sell off their players to Italian sides at a higher rate if the Azzurri get their hands on him. This would be treacherous, IMO.


Now, a player would have to be a part of this collusion, so they’re also implicit. I do not think everybody would be like Retegui but I’d keep my eyes open to Totti’s agency. One of his agents and scouts is Aldair.

 

If Italy is going to be like this, AFA should setup 3 game international friendly in a week with small countries. Invite all the players in Primera (even if you just have to field a team of 11 and 5 reserves) and boom all locked in. Aldair can go sniff somewhere else.

 

Yeah, imagine if we had Di Stéfano & Sívori playing together for their birth country. That’s at least another star on the shirt.

 

At least Stefano wins nothing with Spain, but won Copa America for Argentina.

 

Same with Sívori

 

This whole thing is insane. Now I'm worried for our top talent. What I'm reading is Italy seems deep in on this. I hope they're just rumours. Below means nothing, it's just interesting posts I'm finding. Althought a few players were on the list posted earlier in this thread.

ℹ️ Argentine top youngsters with 2nd Citizenship Italy:

🇦🇷🇮🇹 Tanlongo (19)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 Buonanotte (18)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 Colidio (23)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 Prestianni (17)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 Soulé (19)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 Galoppo (23)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 Infantino (19)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 Sforza (21)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 Beltrán (21)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 Román (19)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 de la Vega (22)
🇦🇷🇮🇹 Carboni (18) pic.twitter.com/w9dQMYvmPT

— Premiumerza (@PREMIUMERZA) March 26, 2023

Article I found:
https://archive.vn/YQkcM

 

Do the Tanos have some weird 1 drop rule or something? That if you had some great great grandpa that left Italy for the new world, his descendants are still considered Italians? I’ve got Italian ancestry(Hell, most of us do) but I do not feel it at all.

I mentioned that I normally root for them in tournaments when we are not in contention for the World Cup or at the Euros but this is an awful look on their part. It would very difficult to do so if Mancini continues this trend. I know there are a lot of people in the Italian footballing world that are not happy with the Retegui move but if they continue to add to it, it will add more fuel to the fire.

As mentioned by @Albiceleste2010, they are treating the national side like a club team.

 

It's cool if you need to fill a few holes if you want to. But now they're using tactics and they're using them on Argentina's top young talent plus adding more fuel to the fire to the Italians like @indestructible who hate this. We should have listened to @indestructible rant about Mancini more closely, he was a prophet.

 

It is a shameless approach on all ends. To fill in holes that the team lacks? That’s 100% what club do. They go and buy players in areas that they are weak. That’s what Mancini is doing now.

I think majority of our young starlets are safe. They’ll be tempted by exposure and money, which is what the Serie A can do but the cracks, we are safe.

 

This is why I don't feel guilty about Nico Paz and Garnacho. We've gotten rob for decades by other national teams, so we need to be more vigilant about locking down dual citizenship youngsters.

 

Macini still thinks he's in Inter.

The good thing is Serie A is not the prominant league it use to be, so the temptation won't be as strong. I think the EPL is the shining jewel with most young Argentina talent now. That's where they see their highest potential at, because of all the glamour it offers. It's also better for our talent to play there so they improve. Just like the French youth go to the Bundesliga, our talent has a better competitive pool in the EPL (Serie A and La Liga use to be the standard for european move, but those leagues both have fallen in past recent years). The new shift is to the English Premiere League.

 

Paz is Argentine. His father played for Argentina in France 98. Garnacho’s mother is from Argentina. It’s a different dynamic.

 

I'm not that worry about the "italian attack" because many of them are really young, so they know they have time to play at the NT and/or go to Europe, we could have a problem with the "older" ones, like Retegui that maybe think the chance to go to Europe is now or never.
About the italians who hate this, the other day I was watching the Italy vs England game on ESPN and Vito di Palma was furious with Mancini, talking about how he want to convert the NT in a club

 

Regardy Italy targeting Argentinian players, the players themselves can speak up on this, I mean I don't have a particular issue with this, but it's being made out as if these players are being kidnapped and sold into slavery. They're not, they are being asked if they would like to reperesent Italy at international level, they could simply say no, Garnacho might be an utter d**khead but at least he himself (for now ) has made it clear that he want to play for Argentina despite the Spanish FA asking him to reconsider. And if those players want to play for Italy, well then good luck to them.

 

There are several issues involved. It’s the Italians FA just trying to lure players in by all but promising them a career in the Serie A. They are fast tracking the process. Retegui move out of Argentina was getting there but now he’s in the front cover of Italian newspapers, where they are showering him with praise.



And now all these clubs are rumored to go after him, and his salary will surely be higher.


And it is also about representing your country. Yes, the players have a say in it but you should not tempt players, particularly when the nation’s economy is in the toilet.

You could see how important this team is to the fans and to the players. As the nation struggles, the seleccion provides a form of escapism to the nation. For a couple hours, they could sit and enjoy something without having to worry about the struggles of the next morning. When they wear the jersey of the national team, they are representing the entire nation, 40+ million Argentines and those Argentines around the world.

It is much more than a sport.

 

I'll be honest and admit I don't know anything about Retegui, I'm guessing he went with Italy because he knew there was little chance of hims getting selected for Aregtnina and Italy promised to select him straight away. Fair play, he's raised his profile and will earn hmself a move to europe and more money, so as far as he is concerned job done. But right now, the only reason I can think that a young Argentine player would choose Italy over Argentina is because he doesn't not think he will get into the Argentina NT.

 

It’s a matter of pride. I’d rather lose with mine than win with yours. Mancini defenders point out that there have always been “oriundi” in the past and this true, however what he’s doing now is crossing a line and it flies contra the whole point of international soccer. It’s not a club game. He’s actively scouting in Argentina right now. Argentina FA should make a complaint to FIFA.

Mancini’s goal is to win the 2026 WC. Obviously that’s every managers goal. But it’s to the point of obsession after his failure to reach Qatar. He doesn’t care how gets there.

As for Retegui himself, so far so good. But I want to see him in Serie A to give a proper evaluation.

 

Este HDP Mancini quiere robar nuestros pibes. Ahora es guerrar, y la AFA tiene que hacer algo.

 

Sad thing is you can see 1 or 2 of them jumping ship to Italy. What Mancini is doing is Sickening and everyone on the Italian forum is against this. To be honest Argentina struggles in some positions in terms of depth more than Italy does. You need all the talent you can get.

 

And what areas would that be?

 

Definitely in full backs CBs. As for forwards after Martinez and Alverez, not much depth after that. Italy is definitely doing worse in every position besides Defence.

 

CBs I think we are fine.
Senesi
Perez
Medina are all viable options.

LB is a bit of a concern. There is some talented options that could be up and coming. Time will tell.

I agree with you about Julian and Lautaro. I’ve mentioned this before. I wouldn’t have minded an out and out 9, but it just does not fit into Scaloni’s game-plan. A player like Retegui needs service, which makes him a traditional 9.