News: Fire Berhalter

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  1. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just doing my best to prop up MLS.

    As you know the success of the league lives and dies on whether guys like Paul Arriola get called up to the national team or not.
     
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  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And a 17 year-old American central midfield starter gets the winner for Bruce Arena tonight.
     
  3. USOutlaw16

    USOutlaw16 Member+

    Green Bay Voyageurs
    United States
    Jan 22, 2011
    On the Gringo Wall of Shame
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Man, this thread is interesting without the contributions of the ignored users on my list :giggle:
     
  4. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Like most of MLS marketing ploys, having these guys on the USMNT did nothing positive for the league.
     
  5. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wrong. I disagree that you, or I, are qualified, or able, to assess player selections by any coach.

    You will always criticize because you need to. Like a broken clock you will sometimes be right. You don't know when.
     
  6. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Incorrect. You have repeatedly disagreed with my opinion. Hmm... kind of weird quote part of post and say it is wrong even though it isnt and then state your opinion is something else that is basically in the post but not quoted.

    I dont know how anybody could look at what Berhalter did for 4 years and not immediately come to the conclusion he ********ed up the player selection. He missed on guys who had already played for the USMNT and then played weak players way too long before getting rid of them.

    There isn't a player that helped us at the WC that Berhakter chose before I would have. I wouldn't have had near as many MLS players and the ones that did make would have had smaller roles. Yeah, it sounds like I have a better handle on the pool than him. I do agree that you should stay out of these discussions you seem to have no clue.

    Not at all. Unfortunately, Arena and Berrhalter's selections were so egregious and obvious that any sane fan would comment. Sometimes right? Not sure where I missed. You should careful words like "always" on here. I mean I havent criticized Hudson, I didn't criticize Sarachan and wasn't vocally critical of Klinsmann, Bradley or Arena's first go.

    Wow... you really struck out in that post. I dojt think anything was accurate.
     
  7. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Then why the hell would he repeatedly rely on them all cycle?

     
  8. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Looks like old Zimmerman is playing just like he did down the stretch last year. Apparently all the nut jobs (including Berhalter) were wrong about how great Zimm was.. Looks like I was correct that his aggressiveness would eventually hurt him and his lack technical ability would limit our ability to play out of the back. He is no more than a depth piece to be used in situations where his weaknesses won't cause a problem. Not sure that is outside of road CONCACAF games.

     
  9. WrmBrnr

    WrmBrnr Member+

    Apr 12, 2001
    San Carlos
    If it did nothing positive for the league, then it certainly wasn't done on purpose
     
  10. WrmBrnr

    WrmBrnr Member+

    Apr 12, 2001
    San Carlos
    Interesting. Thank you for answering.

    I think you bring up some good ideas, but I don't know how you can require independent leagues to join together.

    I know pro/rel is a big sticking point. Pro/Rel made sense in Europe when you had 100s of independent teams and countries were trying to see where they fit in the pyramid.

    I would love pro/rel, but realistically it's never going to happen here. To hate MLS because of that is interesting.
     
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  11. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    The quote gets even worse. He acknowledges it is much better in Europe and then states the obvious, the MLS regular season doesn't matter. Wtf!!!! Why would a coach players that he knows won't "be able to deal with the demands of the game at a higher level”?

    “And when you look at European games, it's just not like that. It's about speed and decision-making. That’s something we can improve on.”

    Berhalter, knowing first-hand the demands of a 34-game MLS season, said it’s partially understandable. Yet he sees the pressure ramp up during the Audi MLS Cup Playoffs each fall, suggesting that level is attainable.

    “There's a number of different reasons why there's that,” Berhalter said. “We're playing sometimes in 110-degree weather, the travel is a lot. And in playoffs, what happens when playoff games start? Everything gets tighter.

    If MLS teams find that standard more consistently, Berhalter believes it’ll only have a knock-on effect when academy-developed players reach the next level, ultimately helping the USMNT – as well as other Canada and other Concacaf senior squads.

    “You'd like to see that consistently throughout the year because you'll just be producing better players,” Berhalter said. “When you export players, they'll be able to deal with the demands of the game at a higher level.”
     
  12. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I think your opinion is unfounded and nonsense reasoning doesn't mean I hold the opposite opinion. Criticising your views doesn't mean I think Berlalter is perfect. Go back and read. Berhalter has done things I don't understand. You just spew opinions as if they are facts.

    Further, you are clearly on an agenda. You repeat opinions that we first see with a small collection of "influencers" that always repeat the same anti-MLS talking points. These talking points support the big monied interests that are suing USSF for blocking their desire to hold non-friendly European games in America (Relevant Sports), or blocking their desire to promote into our top league (Rocco Commisso.)

    A great character once said "I believe in coincidences, I just don't trust them."
     
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  13. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Not following your logic. MLS has made tons of decisions that haven't been in their best interest. Have you ever gotten the feeling they they really knew what they are doing. They gotten a lot better, but they still get in their own way all the time.

    I have no idea why they played these clowns so much. All I saw it accomplish was making the team worse and pissing off a lot of fans. MLS and US soccer clearly don't care. So much damage was done in 2017 that people had very little patience after the way they hired Berhalter. I was open minded, but already done with him after the March 2019 roster dropped.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let’s assume for the sake of argument that bsky22 is like us, an outsider. He’s not privy to players’ private opinions about GGG.

    Ok, dude, then what evidence do YOU have that they don’t like him?

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    The media!!!!!! You just pick and choose which media sources you believe based on whether or not they agree with you.
     
  15. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    You are welcome.

    I think it is pretty easy. The fed just tells all the leagues that they can't be a first division side by not participating.

    I think it makes even more sense here. It would really incentives people to start clubs. We would end up with thousands of clubs covering the whole country. It would directly help so many of our issues that nobody knows how to solve. The only people who benefit from the current structure are the owners and maybe some employees like Garber. The rest of us lose out. Unfortunately, most MLS fans don't realize it.

    Probably not and assuming so, we will never come close to reaching our potential as soccer nation. I dont like it, but it isnt why I hate MLS. I get it wasn't viable originally and single entity was needed, but now it is just holding the country back.
     
  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What kind of capitalism doesn’t have commercialism???
    I’m not saddened, just highly amused.
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  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe he did somewhere, but not in your extensive quote
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Riiiiiiight. Super duper open minded. That’s you, in a nutshell.
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, and that just makes GGG’s performance in his tenure all the more awesome.

    I mean, *I* don’t believe that, but if 2017 did THAT MUCH damage, then the logical conclusion is that GGG winning 2 trophies and making the knockout round is a hell of an accomplishment.
     
  20. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Yep, I am an outsider.

    I basically have my observations. Let's start by pointing out that I suspect many of them don't like him. I am not trying to convince people that is fact unlike our media and some clowns on here. What makes it even more skeptical is they are trying so hard to convince people and all they have is a few luke warm comments.

    We do know for a fact all players don't like him. We know Reyna, Brooks, and Miazga don't care for him. The Pulisic interview was interesting. His opinions changed drastically over the 4 years. He shared multiple antidotes where his thoughts of him early on weren't favorable. He thought to himself "who is this guy? " in a conversation after his first game. My favorite quote is his thoughts on him after benching him, "I wanted to kill the guy, I hated him."

    So assuming Christian's comments are all true, it still paints the picture of coach who can rub players the wrong way. It is nice the he was able to later win over CP, it seems unlikely to do so for the other 25 who also happen to not be the top player. I have to think that if CP hated him in 2019, most of the non-MLS players hated him. In addition to rubbing people the wrong way, there are a lot of players that he was slow to bring into the team while playing lesser players. I find it hard to believe he can all of these players over while in some cases having much less time.

    Let's start with guys who started at the WC.
    • Weah was initially left out for a slew of crappy wingers that included Lewis and Baird. He was still playing Ariola in front of him in 2021
    • ARobinson was left out for Lovitz and Ream and then had Dest moved to the left to get guys like Cannon on the field.
    • CCV was an after thought all cycle. Less than 20 mins in 2019 and then not brought back until June of 2022. He got 45 mins in that window, started both games the next window, and then left off the roster in September where both Long and Zimmerman started. He plays very well vs Iran to be benched for Zimmerman
    • Mckennie was with the team from the start, but also got sent home for breaking rules. While Gregg is very proud of his leadership in these situations, it isnt clear a player is going be. We know Gio wasn't happy with the approach.
    Luca de la Torre similarly was left out for Lletget, Roldan, and Acosta. Berhaltrr was so unfamiliar with his game that after a conversation with him, he went home and put together some highlights and posted on social media so Berhalter could see not only was he was wrong that Luca was poor in transition, but it was actually one of his greatest strengths.

    Then there are the forwards. What a shit show!!! Sargent could have been included above with starters, but wanted to discuss these guys together. Sargent was left of initially for Zardes and Altidore. He looks to have won the starting job from Zardes by October of 2019, misses the one 2020 camp starts when available in 2021 through the first window of WCQ and then excluded for the rest of qualifiers.

    Berhalter seemed completely lost on what do at forward and ultimately never solved it. It was a rotating door with Pefok, Pepi, Zardes, Ferreira, and Wright starting in WCQ. Sargent didnt score so he went with Pepi. Pepi scores so now he is the man. Pepi goes cold and then out of the team for a couple windows while Ferreira becomes his top choice. He is called out of the blue for last window and then cut from the WC.

    One things players hate. Being jerked around with their playing time. Players, unlike @DonJuego, know who can play and who can't. Outside of CP, Mckennie, and Adams who were there all along and Dest who was brought in immediately once he committed, the rest of the euro guys were behind inferior MLS guys. It is real tough to overcome that with vibes.

    I will also add that I am pretty sure he brought in a motivational speaker and we know players hate that.
     
  21. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Wow! You guys really don't understand the fanbase. You should really interact with people who are on here because their views are very different.

    I think everybody was upset about qualifying, but how it happened was despicable to many. While BS hated Klinsmann, there were a lot of fans who liked a lot of things he did and said. Arena came in and tried do almost the opposite. His comments and treatment of dual nationals pissed a lot of people off. His comment about "we have players in MLS that play that position" and then proceeding to play a bunch of people off.

    To fail in that way and waste year to get a new coach didnt sit right. I was more than happy to give him a shot, but his fifa window roster told us everything we needed to know. Low and behold there was no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Not at all. We should have never not qualified. While Berhalter was ********ing around Columbus, Sarachan rebuilt the pool, but Berhalter refused to use it. We wasted so much time and talent. I guess a draw vs England is impressive, but beating concacaf teams and Iran and tying Wales isnt impressive at all.
     
  22. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Not explicitly but it is in there. Really a shame a guy who knows the difference between the regular season and playoffs wouldn't have been more concerned with Ferrera shifting bed in the playoffs. At least it wasn't as bad as his performance in the WC. Id put it as the worst WC performance for us ever at the WC over LD against Ghana in 2002 and Brad Davis vs Germany in 2014.

    BTW, Goff wrote a good article for the post arguing that the the MLS continues to "further undermine their own season".
     
  23. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    It is not a conspiracy. MLS created a war with the USMNT where some people felt they had to choose the usmnt or MLS. It was very easy for me and others. You guys help make it very easy to hate pretty much everything about MLS.
     
  24. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Read this clip to yourself.

    You don't know any more than we do. In fact, based on your posts, it's likely that you know less...you continually get basic facts wrong.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't that what we're doing now? You and I are interacting.
     

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