GAME DAY 4 RSL v St. Louis Saturday March 25, 2023 7:30pm

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  1. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Caldwell wasn't probably ready to go but Nyeman was, and this seemed a good chance to give him a run - especially since Jasper had strep two days ago.

    EDIT: Not because I think Nyeman is/was a good signing or likely to do well but - like with Paul up top - why not at 4-0?
     
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  2. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kreilach dives more than Javi
    It’s incredibly annoying

    Hes an incredible human being but his soccer this year has been hot garbage since the goal in Vancouver
     
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    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meram should never start
    How he jumped ahead of Chang or anyone else on the bench is beyond me
     
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  4. evilradar

    evilradar Member

    Real Salt Lake
    United States
    Apr 4, 2019
    Anyone else think that Jasper and Brody have been just dog shit so far this season?
     
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    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do not understand how someone is a professional soccer player and as scared of using their left foot as Brody is
     
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    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The atmosphere sucks at the RioT
    I’ll say it
    The standing section has just further made the lack of coordination by the SGs amplified
    I was also shocked to see as many of those “SGs” leave the game as early as they did
     
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  7. DrownedElf

    DrownedElf Member+

    Jul 5, 2010
    Ogden
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Giving Lefturo a run for his money!
    Seems even more of his go to now that he's even slower.
     
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  8. Med_Phys

    Med_Phys Member+

    RSL
    United States
    Jun 20, 2019
    Terre Haute, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How much does it matter that it's only he and Sava that appear to be able to play LW? Honest question.
     
  9. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    “Able” is a stretch
     
  10. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Lefturo Alvarez was even more scared of using his right!

    Edit: I should continue reading….
     
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  11. RSLer

    RSLer Member+

    Sep 24, 2008
    Stansbury Park, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. It was miserably cold and the wind was fairly brisk.
     
  12. RSLer

    RSLer Member+

    Sep 24, 2008
    Stansbury Park, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    THIS^^^. I graded us a C+ in the first half. That’s not a “Good” grade. I thought the team played hard and with attacking energy in the first half. That’s it. Yet, because we went to half at 0-0 many people call it a Good half. That’s how far the bar has dropped amongst the fanbase and the media commenters.
     
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    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, there was a stretch of like 15 mins where RSL made St. Louis look like cones with their passing. I loved it. However, the best it resulted in was a shot from about 25 out by meram.

    There are a lot of problems with this team, but from my seat none of them are as glaring as Kreilach being an attacking mid.
     
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    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hadn’t seen it said yet: the pitch looked noticeably better than against Austin. However, it was MUCH slower. Don’t think it was cut with the snow and there wasn’t any watering in pregame that i remember
     
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  15. KendaReal

    KendaReal Member+

    May 3, 2010
    Taylorsville, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The ball definitely lost a lot of momentum on the ground. I wasn't sure if it was the pitch or if the ball was just stone cold as a rock.
     
  16. Med_Phys

    Med_Phys Member+

    RSL
    United States
    Jun 20, 2019
    Terre Haute, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I meant that those are the only guys Pablo would play there. He wouldn't let Joni play there even though it was his preferred spot.
     
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  17. Med_Phys

    Med_Phys Member+

    RSL
    United States
    Jun 20, 2019
    Terre Haute, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, lot's of talk on the socials about changes needed. I get the argument to clean house, but if I had to chose one, I'd probably get rid of Pablo. I just don't see how a good (or very good) coach can't get more out of this club.

    I've made a big deal about how the talent value (according to transfermarkt, it's all we can go off of) is so low (2nd, behind STL in total and avg), but it's still MLS. Parity is built into the system.

    I may be wrong, but it still feels like Pablo is not putting the best players in their best position and filling the rest of the spots with players that best compliment the best players. These are pros, they shouldn't need much rah-rah from the coach. Give me a guy that gets the tactics right and sits the players that don't buy in or give their all.

    Also, is it to much to ask to let the fans know what the plan is on and off the field? Let us know what to expect, then we can focus our complaints. :thumbsup:
     
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  18. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Speaking of relative talent level, The Athletic ran their annual anonymous survey of league personnel about a wide range of topics and Pablo got at least one vote for top coach. The rationale was that he got us into the playoffs "with literally nothing" and that such a performance merits top marks.

    YMMV. Mine too. :)
     
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  19. Med_Phys

    Med_Phys Member+

    RSL
    United States
    Jun 20, 2019
    Terre Haute, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was there with that thinking. I think the schtik has worn off (see Aaron's comments) and teams have enough time to figure out how to beat Pablo's "tactics".
     
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  20. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The roster was incomplete when Elliot took over and has only got worse since
    This shouldn’t be an either/or conversation. Both Pablo and Elliot need to be fired
     
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  21. Med_Phys

    Med_Phys Member+

    RSL
    United States
    Jun 20, 2019
    Terre Haute, IN
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see the argument. How does it impact getting players in this window or the next? Would there be a permanent replacement in before the next window/year? Do roll with temps in both spots until the replacement GM gets here and gets to hire the coach? Do they just promote from within for both?
     
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  22. goobx1

    goobx1 Member+

    Jul 9, 2007
    Salt Lake
    Great questions. I think that if RSL is going to make the choice to change GM and HC they really need to go the clean slate route. Hiring from within has only lead us to where we are now which is not a great place by anyone's estimation.

    I definitely think that the new head coach needs to be an established coach with a definable system/s. Someone outside of the current RSL family of coaches. There has to be someone in the Blitzer group that would jump at a chance to be a HC for a team that needs an overhaul and someone to put their stamp on how they play.

    Can you find that kind of coach with a "homegrown" GM? Probably not so, same thought process there with finding a new GM. There has to be someone in the Blitzer group admin pipeline that would also jump at the chance to build an MLS team.

    Maybe Elliot and Pablo can figure it all out and this season turns around but 6 wins out of 26 games is not trending in the right direction though.

    It's going to be pretty interesting month of April.
     
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  23. RSLer

    RSLer Member+

    Sep 24, 2008
    Stansbury Park, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I completely agree with going outside for both positions, even if we have to over pay. But, if I was a sporting kind of guy I would put my money on Damir as the next coach.
     
  24. RSLer

    RSLer Member+

    Sep 24, 2008
    Stansbury Park, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Given Fall’s track record, what are the odds that he will bring in a difference maker or two in this window or the next? He will spread rumors about a couple that we are close to signing, but, magically, the signings won’t happen. So… go ahead, grit the teeth, make the change. Don’t let a future window impact the decision.
     
  25. goobx1

    goobx1 Member+

    Jul 9, 2007
    Salt Lake
    I'm thinking that that is the backup plan at the moment and why they extended him. I think that could be another massive gamble. It worked with JK, didn't work with Cassar, Freddy, Petke, or Pablo so the 5th time has to be the charm?

    Find an experienced coach.
     
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