News: Fire Berhalter

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  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only one annoyed by the truth is you.

    I never mentioned Weah. You did. You keep attacking posters for having a different point of view then yourself. You've accused many in this thread of "defending Berhalter." Really? Show us someone who has said "we need GGG back." I haven't.

    For someone who claims to have a superior view of the USMNT and what's best for it's players, and who turns their nose up to the domestic leagues in their own country you sure spend a lot of time ranting and raving about MLS and your perception of those who follow and *gasp* enjoy watching the league.
     
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  2. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    My job over the last two years in analytical. Was going to retire but I got an offer way to good to turn down. All those wonderful things you here about algorithms, manipulation of people on the net? I am high up in it. I used this place as a lab for myself as I learned. Problem was I could recognize personalities, and knew what they were in real life, and why they acted how they did. Frighteningly accurate Made me a bit nuts and frustrated me. I‘ve learned and am settling in. Just remember that an individual that does what that poster does, for as relentlessly long as he does, is doing it for a reason. It‘s not because their lives are good. That‘s all I will say. Just take that into account.
     
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  3. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I know you are not much for history outside of your narrative purposes but that is a facile explanation. There was much, much more work besides a "decision to sell" and it required partnership and coordination between the USSF and MLS to get through the cultural, legal and infrastructure barriers.
     
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  4. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    MLS media are just MLS fans. We saw this same thing on here yesterday.

     
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  5. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Good thing it fits my narrative because their was long history of the league choosing the "design to NOT sell". What are these cultural, legal, and infrastructure barriers? Is that chose to set up a system that doesn't fit well in the global game and chose to not follow the same rules? It is amazing how quickly they were able get rid of the barriers that they put when they wanted to do so.
     
  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Huh?

    Did you actually read his timeline? He didn't crap on the All Euro roster last night at all. He sinply made an opinion that LDLT's best position is likely as an 8 for USMNT, and not as a 6.

    Scandalous and agenda pushing I guess.
     
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  7. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    You don't see a difference how he talks about players playing against the exact same team? Nice of him to get that dig in on the Reyna's too.
     
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  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If your perspective was valid, you wouldn’t have to lie all the time to defend it.

    Nobody said that. Everybody here knows that, so why did you post it? Like, what’s the point?

    Anyway, to correct you so that you will learn and stop making this mistake <snort> MLS owners who paid 9 figures to join the league before any start up costs aren’t going to go for pro/rel without some kind of payback for that.
     
  9. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    ******** off Dave. Stop trying to tell me what was said in conversations you weren't a part of. MLS fan discussing pro/rel can go in many really odd directions.
     
  10. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    What truth is that? If it annous me, I can guarantee it annoys other fans.

    It was the universal you. All you guys pretty much have the same opinions and discuss topics in a similar fashion. I run into pretty much every day constantly looking for things to give MLS credit for. "defending Berhalter" and "we need GGG back" are two different things.

    There are a ton a people on here defending Berhalters player selection. I wonder if that was what I was alluding to. There are plenty on here that seem to be on the media's mission to try to convince us the players like him. I have no idea why they be doing that if they didnt want him back, but there are plenty of folks who just whatever they are fed so who knows. I'm not going to look but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find one that really wants him back.

    This is really odd phrasing... "turns their nose up to the domestic leagues in their own country" It reminds of people trying to guilt me into watching the league. No idea if you were specifically doing that but there are many MLS fans who engage in that.

    Not really sure what the purpose of that last paragraph is. Indojt want this coach back. This seems like a good place to voice that opinion. I dont want that new coach to have any relationship or care one bit about MLS. I want MLS out of the USMNT.
     
  11. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Gosh, do I want spend the next week arguing with you? Nah,.man. I'm good.
     
  12. Golazo69

    Golazo69 Member+

    Aug 2, 2017
    ‘The universal you’. You’re inventing this boogeyman that you’re arguing with. Like up above when you’re accusing people of giving MLS too much credit for developing Weah…nobody said that. You were the only one who mentioned Weah. You’re essentially just arguing against the voices in your head at this point lol
     
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  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why? This is a very ignorant opinion and take. Same old same old vague nonsense and stances. It's always: "Lots of people," "I'm not going to look it up but there are lots," "There are ton of people defending Berhalter's player selection," etc. No Specifics.....just vague stances and statements of certainty.

    Were it not for MLS Matt Turner isn't at Arsenal or on the USMNT. The Aaronson's may have gotten lost in the NCAA Soccer landscape, same with Auston Trusty, Mark McKenzie, etc.

    Soccer players in America need domestic professional leagues to play in, to grow in, to actually have a professional pathway other than the Jay DeMerit or former USMNT Player's Son pathway.

    Just because the "MLS Cheerleaders" choose to focus on the positives and not the negatives and flaws of the league doesn't make them apologists or "bad fans." Those who simply and singularly focus their vitriol towards something as insignificant as MLS.....that's just sad. EVERY thread you post in ultimately turns into what this thread is. Why is that? Oh that's right.....you bring MLS and your vitriol towards it into every thread you post in.

    We get it, you don't like American Soccer. You only like the USMNT when it has players based outside of the US that you like. That's cool. Just try not to be shocked, outraged or annoyed when posters counter your opinions and disagree with you, or offer a different perspective.

    And newsflash, most of us ARE just antagonizing you because it's amusing how outraged you easily get at the most mundane things or even the subtlest of mentions of MLS.
     
  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    It was Grenada though. We'll get a better idea of where we are against El Salvador.
     
  15. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You could not accurately restate my opinion if you worked at for a while, rather than spew.
     
  16. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well said. The interesting question for me is why does our society develop people with this pathology so much these days? Or was it always there and the interweb has exposed it?
     
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  17. WrmBrnr

    WrmBrnr Member+

    Apr 12, 2001
    San Carlos
    How do you suggest players should be developed in the states? How do we increase the number of Americans playing in a professional setting without. Professional league?
     
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  18. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    2017 and 2019-22

    It would be very ignorant to trust these asses to not pull this shit again.
     
  19. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    We still have Horvath and Steffen. If it weren't MLS, there would be another pathway. Hey wait, there are other pathways in the US. If there was no MLS, they couldn't actively try to undermine them and we could grow an actual system that would enable us to reach our potential.

    Playere coming out of MLS aren't any better than what happened prior to MLS. I mean Keller is better than Turner. We just came out of our lowest talented pool in the modern era. Somehow that coincided with the league paying domestic player more so they would stay..
     
  20. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Wait, I think you are trying wind me up. I have been complaining nonstop about Berhakter's player selection for 4 years. In that time period I dojt recall any MLS fan willing to agree with me. I used to start individual threads for these minor league players. There is zero chance you haven't seen people defending Berhalter player selection.

    Now if I mention lots of people have similar views to me, you are going to have to leave this site to find them. The views are very different than you guys anywhere else on the internet. I guess the is what happens when you have MLS fans as mods moderating in a pro MLS fashion.
     
  21. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    I will keep it simple and very narrow. You disagree with my view that Berhalter screwed up player selections.

    There were opinions around that like Berhalters selections would be better than mine.

    I clearly stated above why your opinion is wrong on the first one. I disagree with the second and have explained why your view is very questionable.
     
  22. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Can you explain why you are stipulating that we don't have a professional league? Seems weird. Thanks!
     
  23. Jumbalaya

    Jumbalaya Member+

    Apr 27, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Fire Berhalter!
     
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  24. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Hey, some people are looking for Berhalter supporters. I recall you having a lot of positive things to say about him. Did you want him back or was that someone else? Maybe that Neitche Nut Job?
     
  25. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds like a new soccer message board site needs to be created.....maybe call it "Truth Soccer"

    The same Steffen who left Europe because he was homesick and came to MLS? Is Horvath on the same level as say Tim Howard, Friedel or Keller was?

    If it weren't MLS, what's the other pathway? Outside of knowing an agent to shop you to Euro scouts to get a trial? Or having a passport and a parent willing to move abroad with you so you can join a European Club's academy? Maybe US Soccer should just go back to using Bradenton?

    Oh so it's MLS' fault that they are paying players more? So the US not producing good talent is because MLS started paying players what they were formerly earning in Scandinavia? So those players that used to go abroad and play in the lower leagues of Europe to make a living could now make it playing closer to home, friends and family??? That's why MLS sucks? That's why the US didn't produce talent close to Bradley, Dempsey, Altidore, Howard,etc for a generation? *which BTW, those players all started out in MLS too.....)

    MLS isn't forcing players to play/stay in MLS. The conspiracy theories and utter BS some fans come up with....

    And yes I am winding you up, just like every other poster on here is. It's so easy!!!
     

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