Also, this was a sixth grade class! And also also, this was just one of the reasons for the firing, and also also also it’s a small charter school, not a regular public school.
The parents I know who would be similarly offended by David's genitalia are deeply concerned about video game violence and movie/TV sexuality.
Can't figure out why that matters. Now that's interesting. I hadn't seen that in the articles I've read. Do you have a source you can point me to that describes anything about those other reasons? Can't figure out why that matters.
IMO, it is to the extreme shame of this society that the naked human body -- something each of us is born with and carries throughout life -- is considered by this society to be more threatening and scary than extreme violence and gore.
1. There are things that are appropriate for 15 year olds but not 11 year olds. 2. The parents choose to send their kids there. Also, it’s borderline nutpicking to make such a big deal about such a small story.
Sure; but the idea that David is one of them seems so ********ed up as to be beyond belief. I can't imagine what kind of messed up thinking has to be going on in someone's head for them to think that catching a glimpse of David would be harmful to an 11-year-old. In fact, to be honest, those are exactly the people I'd be afraid would molest children. Sadly, parents make incomprehensible and depressing choices about their children all the time. The fact that parents get to make choices for their children doesn't exempt them from my thinking "god, what demented people." Assuming you meant "nitpicking" (since I don't know what "nutpicking" is, at least in this context ), you're correct that compared with the universe of badness out there, it's a small story. But this is the Florida thread; and it's not an isolated story as far as Florida is concerned. In fact, it's of-a-piece with all the other craziness happening in Florida right now.
1. Nutpicking is a portmanteau of nitpicking and nut. It’s when someone on the internet finds a nut from the other side and makes that person representative of a whole movement. It’d be like finding a random tweet from the left or the right and painting that whole side as holding those beliefs. 2. I’m making the point that this is an independent school with its own board and not part of a school district with an elected school board.
Ah, thanks. That's one I've never encountered before. I understand; I just don't think that's relevant here. Again, 1) this is a thread specifically created to discuss small-scale craziness in Florida, so discussing an instance of small-scale craziness is exactly what it's for; and 2) this particular instance of small-scale craziness in Florida seems to me to be consistent with numerous other instances of small-scale craziness in Florida, from the assertion that exposure to a book about black hair damages children to the perceived need to ban girls from talking about their periods at school. Individually, each of these might not seem so severe; but together as a group, they paint a picture of the Sandbar that's worth noting.
Considering the comments in this thread, if this had been in a public school, the teacher would likely have a union which would have been able to argue for the retainment of the teacher's position. As this is a charter school, no union and an at-will contract.
Of equal relevance to the discussion, my dining room table is brown, and Blind Blake's "Police Dog Blues" is difficult to learn to play.
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Nope. Florida has a teachers' union, which would apply to all public schools. Charter schools, with the rare exception, non-unionized (and at-will were possible, such as in Florida). Teach something controversial, parents complain, and in a public school, there would be a union hearing, and in this case, almost certainly the teacher would be retained. In a charter school, like the one where this teacher taught, there is no union and the teacher could be let go without any support. So there are three arguments here 1 - The parents/Ronde are assholes and pushing censorship 2 - Teacher unions need support 3 - Charter school are an end-round teacher unions allowing parents to get teachers fired on a whim.
It was the principal who was fired, not a teacher. Are principals part of the teacher's union? I thought they were "management" instead of "labor".
All right, rather than asserting irrelevance again, I'll ask you to establish relevance. Maybe I'm missing something here. So . . .putting aside the point others have made that a principal, rather than a teacher, was forced out, how does what you're saying relate to the question being discussed of whether this incident can be considered related to or consistent with Florida's well-publicised censorship paradigm?
What's amazing is that school is specialising in classical education LOL! So parents opted for this stuff, then complain about it
This is something that is actually quite weird that I also grew up with but then experienced other cultures where no one really cares. Now i find it quite strange to go back to it.
This is the most hilarious part of this story Tallahassee Classical school is affiliated with Hillsdale College, a Michigan-based private conservative Christian institution. According to its website, the school aims to “train the minds and improve the hearts of young people through a content-rich classical education in the liberal arts and sciences, with instruction in the principles of moral character and civic virtue”. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/25/florida-principal-resigns-michelangelo-david
Hillsdale is one of those super reactionary right wing colleges. Like when the federal government said that schools can't discriminate if they want to keep receiving federally backed student loan money, Hillsdale said, you know, you can keep your federal money, we're going to keep discriminating. They have big Federalist Society, Heritage Society and Club for Growth chapters and they churn out future judges.
I thought I had read the teacher was fired, and the principal resigned. I'll have to go back and look. As for principals, generally they are not part of the union, but IIRC, there are a very few places where they have a union - something like a principal's union (with VPs and other school admin not cover by the teacher's union), or the like. Of course, I may be mistaking that for another country. Okay, so I checked, and it is more than I knew: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/03/24/florida-principal-michelangelo-david-parents/ Yes, it appears to be only the principal, and it was a forced resignation (and no word on the teacher). But the issue, according to the article, is not necessarily the teaching of David, but the lack of notification (despite the one parent complaining). But it also seems like that was the last straw, and that there were other issues which had previously occurred. What they are is unstated. But there are also some things which raise a bit of worry/alarm with the school. They only opened in 2020. That is not a long time to have become established. The school, Tallahassee Classical took their curriculum form conservative Hillsdale College (in Michigan). Tallahassee Classical lost their status with Hillsdale, then regained (and after checking the website, is currently not listed). In the three years the school has been operating, they are now on their third principal (what happened to the first?) It also appears that the principal which just was forced to resign did not have a lot of principal training. For anybody who has been in education, going from any position to Principal is a dramatic change. This matters as it looks like this principal got in over her head. But, finally, there is this: “I applaud the governor, and we support the governor on his educational agenda in Florida,” [Barney Bishop III, the chair of the school board and a lobbyist] told The Post. “Parental rights are supreme.” With all of this, I do suspect that the issue was with the principal and her ability as the teacher seems to still have a job, and not necessarily solely the lesson on "David."