U.S. U20 March 2023 Friendlies: PBP When Available

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Mar 21, 2023.

  1. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    Yup, totally agree. Soccer is such a weak-link game and I thought Cuevas, Alvarado and even Luna were making it difficult for their teammates -- exacerbated by Gomez and Paredes being fine, but hardly stars. Given that it's a little impressive the team was able to put up a fight at all. For me, Varas will have to cycle out Cuevas and probably Alvarado, though I'm not sure great replacements are at hand. (Che and Buck maybe?)
     
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  2. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Raleigh
    We don't have a lot of players who can do the things Luna can do, but there's certainly times where he's doing more harm than good. Varas needs to keep him on a tight leash and get him out of a game if he's losing effectiveness. He has a spark, though, and when he's on he makes the team so much more dangerous.

    Alvarado on the other hand - central midfield is the deepest position in the pool by a fair margin. If he can't pull his weight, than any of Tsakiris, Wolff, Cremaschi, or Gutierrez can. There's no need to wait on a guy who isn't playing at a high level and isn't performing in the minutes he does get.
     
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  3. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    This is obviously not a particularly original observation but it seems like Varas has said that -- setting aside, Pepi, Koleosho and various unknowables like injuries, etc. -- perhaps a third of the field-player spots are in play. I don't think it's that hard to guess who maybe 10 of of the locks are, then it starts to break down a bit. Eventually you get into tradeoff territory. Che seems like a guy whose versatility gives Varas options even if you see him as a sub. Whether he plans to take at least one "striker guy" feels like another consequential decision; same with what he sees as the role for Luna. It looks like my harebrained fantasy of Craig at DM isn't gonna happen.
     
  4. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    No doubt California teams weren't pulling their weight, though San Jose is working now. LAG are crippled by a bunch of factors.

    Also, LAFC is brand new -- people bitch about SD or Sacramento getting in, but it is 40 million people. Even if LAG and SJ had been killing it .. it's such a big area with soooo many people.

    There's lots of borderline guys like Long, Lletget, Arriola. But it's not good enough.
     
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  5. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I love watching Luna, but I hope he picks up at the rest of his game. Even dude like Nico Lodeiro worked on defense at an MLS level. I just don't think he will ever be good enough on offense to be a complete liability otherwise at any reasonable level.

    I've never seen Cremaschi play, and Gutierrez is a 10/winger -- though honestly he might actually be the best 10 we have in this pool.

    But Wolff and Buck are playing very well, and are pretty stout defensively. Alvarado was fantastic in the CCAF, so I'm not sure if this was one bad game against a really strong opponent or a drop in form.

    Tsakiris I love. I do wonder if he wouldn't have gotten a bit tossed around out there against France.
     
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  6. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The locks in my mind are Slonina, Wiley, Craig, Neal, Aaronson, Sullivan, Parades, McGlynn, Cowell, and Edelman. Chris Brady would probably be a lock too if was likely to get released, and Jonathan Gomez seems pretty close to being one too. Che is probably fairly close to being one too given his versatility.

    The midfield seems to have lots of good options and it's hard to say who else will be there from Pukstas, Buck, Wolff, Tsakiris, Alvarado, Cremaschi, Vargas, and Clark.
     
  7. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Halliday and Gutierrez might be next to locks as well.
     
  8. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, they're pathetic, and it's really hurting the program. We got excuses for so many years from LA Galaxy fans. They were trying to pee on our heads and tell us it was raining. As if, for that period, that area that was so fruitful previously, was just not producing any talent. They weren't developing it, due to the emphasis on the wrong attributes and players (Kleibans in part). They weren't integrating it. Arena was focused on making the roster as experienced as possible at the time. Then guys were either steered to Mexico under Dennis Te Kloese, or convinced to stagnate their development by sitting out until they could move to Europe.

    So far, there's similar things happening in LAFC, as much as they sold their youth program. They haven't integrated anyone, yet. Many of their kids jumped ship to Mexico too, incidentally. LAFC has more of an excuse because they're the Man City of MLS (ironically w/ NYCFC here). But: a) they should realize they're not playing for all the marbles, and b) if LAG has the philosophy to finally have a functional youth program, then they could have a competitive advantage. They aren't the sexy LA club anymore.
     
  9. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    We differ at the margins, but not enough to make it a thing. That's pretty close to how I see it. You can see how quickly spots fill up. I would guess that if Che is there and both LBs are there, you need just one RB-type, and maybe not another CB, though you could talk yourself out of that, too, and bring one anyhow. A striker takes another slot.
     
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  10. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gutierrez seems close, but also seems one of the least likely to get released from the MLS contingent.

    Halliday seems like he's moved ahead of Cuevas but I wouldn't put him in lock territory.
     
  11. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was a weak link in the camp in the 2nd edition of Revelations Cup. So it's now trending toward 2 straight camps. And the indications are becoming he was a 1-camp wonder, doesn't translate outside of CCAF, or has had his development stagnated due to not playing much for Kleiban FC.
     
  12. no exit

    no exit Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Nov 20, 2019
    Yeah, I thought he was great at CONCACAF and was starting to earn minutes for Vizela. So far, so good (even better than good). Then the Revelations Cup, which I didn't attack much importance to. Sciaretta started to hint the coaching staff was not exactly in love with him. (Starting to get worried). He hasn't gotten any minutes since November. (Getting more worried.) Now this performance (very concerned). To me he looks like he's stagnated, to your point, and hopefully there are enough CMs of a high caliber to replace him.

    That said, I don't particularly blame the Kleibans here. They got him to a reasonable level -- at a certain point you gotta earn your keep as a prospect.
     
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  13. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Another early developer. No outstanding qualities, will be surpassed by many pretty soon.
     
  14. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    #139 Dave Marino-Nachison, Mar 24, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2023
    I've seen a couple links on Twitter purporting to advertise streams for USA-ENG. However, they look kinda spammy to me, so I'm not clickin' 'em.

    Separately, you can rewatch USA-FRA here. (At least, I think that's what "le replay" means.) Good opportunity to reconsider your views on U6 futsal from a fresh perspective.

     
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  15. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    I know this is an U20 thread but with all this doom and gloom about how bad we are I thought this fact has to also be incorporated into the equation. We beat Argentina 3-1 at U19 level too.
     
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  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This was Argentina’s U17 team.
     
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  17. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    France fell 2-1 to the Netherlands in the very next match. So maybe not a given to win the WC, just another one of the better sides in the world, who we made look like unstoppable forces.

    I don't think there's any way to tell with our own eyes if we made the necessary improvements, on account the game's already started, and I see no streams.

     
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  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think US Soccer posted there was no stream available but I was hoping to at least see a lineup.
     
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  19. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They said the same thing last game, but we were able to find one from France's end. England, the most covered footballing nation in the world, ironically isn't covering it either. It would be funny if it turned out Serbia did too.
     
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  21. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  22. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    It was their U12 team...
     
  23. Allende72

    Allende72 Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Nov 17, 2008
    Wilmington, NC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  25. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Back to reality.
     

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