Official 2022+ Samurai Blue thread

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Samurai Warrior, Jan 7, 2022.

  1. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Oh sorry, didnt that. Thank you for the info.
     
  2. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Decent Line up I would say.

    Schmidt
    Sugawara-Itakura-Seko-Ito
    Endo-Morita
    Doan-Kamada-Mitoma
    Asano


    But I would like more chances for the newcomers. Great that Sugawara and Seko Start. But I would say its time for a new young goalkeeper. Tani should Start. And in the future CB duo must be Ito/Itakura or Tomiyasu. Ito is playing his best season and is getting better and better. Sadly this doesnt help Stuttgart at the moment. But he is pure class.

    And of course maybe Nakamura for Mitoma and Ueda for Asano. Something like that. Asano has maybe his moments. Workrate and fighting spirit like a horse and of course sometimes wondergoals like the one against germany. But he is maybe out worst striker. He scored 1 goal this season for Bochum ( a great one) but 1 goal is not enough.
     
  3. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Down 0-1 so far.
     
  4. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    How are they playing?
     
  5. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member+

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Looks like Groundhog Day to me.
     
  6. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    You mean playing good, wasted chances and conceded a goal after a corner/freekick?
     
  7. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member+

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    That referee is a wanker.
     
  8. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member+

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Nishimura just comes in and scores the goal. 1-1.
     
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  9. mushu21_2

    mushu21_2 Member

    Manchester United
    Vietnam
    Sep 1, 2018
    Sugawara and Seko were good, Ito at LB was really bad, JNT needs to find a proper LB otherwise Mitoma or Nakamura will never play at their fullness.
     
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  10. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Ito normaly is a solid LB in the Bundesliga but youre right Moriyasu has to find a solution. Ito played almost his hole Bundesliga carreer as a CB and maybe 10% as a LB so we need a natural LB.
     
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  11. mushu21_2

    mushu21_2 Member

    Manchester United
    Vietnam
    Sep 1, 2018
    Well, I don't know if you follow Bundesliga closely or not but for me I only see an really awkward LB who is only decent in aerial defense or some long balls here and there but bad in almost anything else.

    One crucial aspect that makes Mitoma thrive in Brighton is Estupinan and Caicedo are quality players who provide Mitoma's overlap run or back him up when he goes too far forward. If Ito just manages to stay in his defense position, Mitoma will be doubled by at least 2 players. Also, his speed is not that effective when the opponents defense in deep so he will need a LB who can provide some decent attack run or crosses.

    Talking about Caicedo, I don't know why Morita who plays in similar position doesn't look remotely that good in JNT jersey although he had good understanding with Mitoma while they were in Kawasaki. He's a quality player but all his performances in JNT were just so so up to now.
     
  12. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    #1562 NaohiroTakahara, Mar 24, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2023
    I watch almost every weekend Bundesliga since 2007. Ito is playing really decent as a LB, gets much praise abd solid ratings there but of course he is was better at CB. But I agree totaly with you.

    And as a CB he is very very good. Place 8 from all CBs at the moment.

    I think, much has to do with Moriyasus tactics? The quality of the players are there without a doubt.
     
  13. Testator

    Testator Member+

    Glasgow Celtic
    Croatia
    Sep 5, 2017
    Croatian coast
    #1563 Testator, Mar 24, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2023
    Does a real winger play in front of H. Ito when he's at LB, or is it an inverted winger? Heshould be great in a 3 CB formation, but Mitoma needs someone else behind him, when Japan plays 4-2-3-1.

    Anyway, Nishimura is the winner of this game. From a surprise call-up, he probably earned himself more minutes. And J. Ito proved himself to be important, yet again.
     
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  14. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Hmm hard to say cause Stuttgart very often switch the system and the players. For example last weekend they play in a 4-1-2-3. So there is a winger but more a left striker I would say. But the week before they play from pure formation more classy winger like.

    But these games Ito was a CB. Stuttgart of course has wingers and for me when Ito is playing as a LB for them he is from time to time in the offense and for a CB he is very offensive minded. "Often" shot on goal or take a good header and not that less he assited some good attacks. But I would also say like you maybe he is not the best at LB. Also he played only 2-3 times at LB this season, so he is not used to it for now.

    You need a classic LB at JNT and have Ito for the back up when he is needed. He can play there sometimes good, sometimes bad it seems.
     
  15. Testator

    Testator Member+

    Glasgow Celtic
    Croatia
    Sep 5, 2017
    Croatian coast
    No harm in trying out Bangnagande next game.

    BTW, his first name is written in Kanji, but typically romanized as Kashif, not Kashifu. What is more correct? I thought since it's aname in Kanji, it should be pronounced like a Japanese word, so, a u at the end should exist.
     
  16. KATO

    KATO Member

    Nov 26, 2011
    Manchester
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Why does Moriyasu keep wasting the time of the "fringe" player.

    Bringing back an in-form Keito Nakamura mid-season halfway across the world for nothing more than 5 minutes off the bench. Even Ayase Ueda coming off the bench in both games.

    ... and then when things actually get serious in the WCQ/Asian Cup and starting XI become injured we moan about depth and lack of plan B off the bench.
     
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  17. mushu21_2

    mushu21_2 Member

    Manchester United
    Vietnam
    Sep 1, 2018
    The attacking combination was so bad it's hard to watch.
     
  18. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Totaly stupid game plan again. Looks like Moriyasu can only be serious at a WC. Sad for Tani, Osako,Nakamura, Ueda and other Bench players.
     
  19. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Sad to see

    But not surprised
     
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  20. Testator

    Testator Member+

    Glasgow Celtic
    Croatia
    Sep 5, 2017
    Croatian coast
    2 good headers didn't go in, but in general, Japan under Moriyasu struggles to dominate games. He is a defensive manager, and will do well whenever Japan aren't expected to control the game.
     
  21. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Another day, another frustrating JNT match to watch. Ugh!
     
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  22. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    He should have used Nakamura instead of Machino. Moriyasu made quite a lot of players travel all the way from Europe just to play some minutes
     
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  23. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member+

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Oh, look. I see Moriyasu right here:

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    I know it's a burning pile of trash, but what's the difference?
     
  24. morimotomania93

    Japan
    Jan 22, 2019
    I don't want to see Moriyasu anymore, since he is there, Japan is boring to see playing, I don't recognize this team anymore; the worst is that he has in his hands good players who succeed well in their club for many of them.
     
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  25. Kanarienvogel

    Kanarienvogel Member

    Nov 15, 2019
    I see that much more positive than you guys

    Only saw the game vs Colombia, but the good things IMO were:

    -Lineup. Not the stupid starters for one game, reserves the other he did from 18-22, You're not going to integrate players by having them play only in the second team. I much rather have something like he did this time. Change a few positions each game.
    -Volantes more involved offensively. IMO very important, in a WC vs top teams, yes, go back to a very defensive game plan, but against teams like Costa Rica Japan should be able to play more offensively. Involve the defensive midfield, first time in a long time that Moriyasu did that. Good. Now keep it up, no reason to go back to the "no risk but lose anyway" game plan employed vs Costa Rica, in the first round of the Asian Cup next year I want to see an offense involving the defensive midfield too. Like here, Morita with the cross for Mitoma, later another that almost resulted in Ueda scoring, and in general they were more offensive, more involved than in his first term. Kamada was not fully convincing as volante though, I rather have him further up.
    - Kashif looked good. And can expected to get even better. Sugawara on the right ok too.
    -Ueda did well, got his touches, looked for the ball, came close to scoring
    -Mitoma starts. Even Moriyasu realized that the super-sub idea wasn't the solution.

    Negatives:
    -Still obsessed with Asano, who did nothing at all when he came on, as could be expected. But well, at least he got over Sasaki.
    -Machino very anonymous in the first half. Still young, no need to give up on him yet, but based on the Colombia game clearly Ueda provisionally ahead of him.
    -Moriyasu confused everybody, including the players when he changed to a 4-4-2... Endo got a handwritten note, then Itakura (I think) had to go to the sideline to confirm what Moriyasu wanted exactly. Maybe train new formations before the game?

    Some of the criticism... Nakamura there for 5', ok, but it's not only about the game, he wants to see him in training too. Normal and Nakamura won't mind. If it becomes something ridiculous like it was with Itakura, who was called numerous time just to (almost) never see any action in 19-2, then yes, what's the point, but we're still far from that.

    Offensively nothing clicking? More than in most games before the WC IMO. That Japan was unwilling to create chances against a set defence, tried to rely on counters even vs teams like Vietnam and Oman. Vs Colombia they created more chances then in some of those games...

    In the end lost, a draw would have been perfectly fine. But it's a friendly, don't really care. One up early, overall in the first half the better team, but got scored on. 1-1. Second half Colombia got stronger, very nice goal. Seko didn't look too good there, but ok, had just come in, can happen. Then last minutes full offense, dangerous again, overall a pretty good display.

    Defense looks good, Itakura-Tomiyasu-Ito 2 of the 3 start. Sugawara+Kashif ok too.
    Volante with Endo and Morita Japan looks good too, but here I'd like Moriyasu to try different options too. Did with Kamada this time, but ty others too. No problem with Endo-Morita at all, but call up some others and try them too.
    Offense, I'd like to see Kubo-Kamada-Morita as starters at some point... and here too Nakamura should be tried, Nishimura actually did quite well I thought.
    CF: Maeda-Ueda probably now the 2 best options, with Asano to come of the bench, just drop him. But here too, try Machino again, and finally call up Kyogo and let him play as CF...

    IMO doesn't look bad at all, especially like the more offensive outlook (but of course in big games, first the defence has to be good, all the offensive firepower won't help if you have Yoshida-Konno in defense, but there I'm optimistic. Even if Tomiyasu keeps getting injured, still looks good)
     
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