Rank the USMNT forwards

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by xbhaskarx, May 19, 2022.

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The 4 strikers on a 26-man WC22 roster:

Poll closed Aug 19, 2022.
  1. Jesus Ferreira

    58 vote(s)
    80.6%
  2. Ricardo Pepi

    49 vote(s)
    68.1%
  3. Gyasi Zardes

    4 vote(s)
    5.6%
  4. Jordan Pefok

    23 vote(s)
    31.9%
  5. Josh Sargent

    29 vote(s)
    40.3%
  6. Matthew Hoppe

    5 vote(s)
    6.9%
  7. Daryl Dike

    20 vote(s)
    27.8%
  8. Haji Wright

    27 vote(s)
    37.5%
  9. Nicholas Gioacchini

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%
  10. Brandon Vazquez

    9 vote(s)
    12.5%
  11. Jeremy Ebobisse

    3 vote(s)
    4.2%
  12. Malik Tillman

    8 vote(s)
    11.1%
  13. Cade Cowell

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Miguel Berry

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Brian White

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  16. Mason Toye

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  17. Sebastian Soto

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%
  18. Jozy Altidore (you are Bruce Arena)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  19. Tim Weah or Jordan Morris (not as one of the wingers)

    18 vote(s)
    25.0%
  20. Folarin Balogun (switch to US)

    7 vote(s)
    9.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. NGV

    NGV Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    Wright's goal was very lucky - Gyasi Zardes was with the USMNT in spirit there. But just as with Zardes in his prime, an attacker who simply finds the ball in threatening places will often make good things happen.

    I thought that Wright troubled the (excellent) Netherlands defense during his limited time, and was an important part of our brief fightback. He was ineffective in the other appearances, but I think his total minutes weren't enough to get a reliable read on his level or prospects. He should stay in the mix going forward.
     
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  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I want to see him score 20 goals in this season's Turkish league. After that, hopefully, he moves up.
     
  3. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    So we'll never see Ferreira again right?

    Pepi and Sargent going forward!
     
  4. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    RESPECT FOR THAT!
     
  5. harttbeat

    harttbeat Member

    Dec 29, 1998
    New York
    Ferreira needs to move abroad ; challenge himself; Wright, & Pepi needs go move better league;
     
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  6. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member

    Metro
    United States
    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, that's not right.
     
  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Update:

    1. Folarin Balogun

    2. Ricardo Pepi
    3. Daryl Dike
    4. Josh Sargent

    5. Brandon Vazquez
    6. Haji Wright

    7. Jordan Pefok
    8. Jeremy Ebobisse
    9. Jesus Ferreira

    11. Matthew Hoppe

    ==YNT==
    12. Darren Yapi
    13. Keyrol Figueroa
     
  8. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    This def reduces the chances of guys like Vasquez, Wright and Sargent.
     
  9. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Its a long time between now and 2026. Most of these people are still young or otherwise on an upward trajectory. Some will move into better club situations that allow them to thrive. Others will have bad luck or make bad decisions and wind up on a team where they get no service. Who knows who will rise and fall between now and 2026. Meanwhile, I am thrilled to add another promising candidate into that mix (knock on wood).
     
  10. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    We need a lot of depth.

    And you never know.....................a guy like Wright could move to another club and excel.

    Or, Balogun/Pepi/Dike could move to a bigger club and disappear.

    We just need to keep building depth and depth and depth and depth.
    Take the hot hand when the important tournaments come along.

    All we need to do is look at this thread to see how volatile depth charts can be.

    I personally would lump Ebobisse, Ferreira, etc. into the same band as Vazquez and Wright.
    All Ferreira does is score goals. Can't move up into the Dike/Sargent band until he moves abroad.
    My gut is that happens after this MLS season.

    [FYI............Jesus Ferreira 3 goals and 2 assists so far in MLS. Vazquez? 0 and 1.]

    Personally I'd lump Hoppe in with a whole host of guys in the farther back band. What does Hoppe's one goal for a mediocre team in Scotland do for him that's different from Gioacchini's performances in St. Louis? I just picked him out of thin air. Gioacchini is one I have a side-eye on, though. Still only 22. Could be a Vazquez like late bloomer with the right opportunity.
     
  11. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    #536 Ghost, Mar 24, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2023
    With Balogun, order for 2026:

    Folarin Balogun
    Ricardo Pepi
    Josh Sargent
    Wright
    Dike
    Pefok
    Vasquez
    Hoppe
    Figueroa
    Ebobissee
    Sullivan

    Then the lesser known dual nat: Maurice Malone
    The guy succeeding in the obscure Euro league: Eduvie Ikoba
    The fringe player I wish someone would convert: Cole Bassett
     
  12. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #537 Clint Eastwood, Mar 24, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2023
    What is with the Jesus Ferreira backlash.

    Cuz you can't have a 10 top that includes Figueroa, who's done squadoosh against adult professionals, and leave out Jesus Ferreira.

    Hoppe has scored one goal since the 2020-2021 season. That was for a mediocre Scottish team against one of the worst teams in their league. For some reason I don't quite understand, Hoppe is giving the benefit of the doubt. Why? I don't know. How can one have Hoppe on any top 10 list and exclude Ferreira? Makes no sense.
     
  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    1. Balogun---his record in the Top-5 moves him to the head of the queue.
    2. Sargent--has an impressive record in non-relegation seasons panning the C'ship, B2, and B1. Is ready for a return to the Top-5.
    3. Pepi--a move to PSV could represent a brilliant progression which would include UCL play.
    4. Wright--will likely move up in league level. Needs to stay away from the EPL for now.
    5. Dike--the C'hip will provide the opportunity to round out his game.
     
  14. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    Because we've seen more Ferreira and from that sample, we feel more confident that he doesn't have it. I don't hate it. I felt sorry for him in his one WC half. By the end of his shift, he didn't seem to want to be there.

    Hoppe has played better for the National Team than Ferriera. I don't think that Hoppe has ever really played badly for us. He also started for nearly half of a season in the Bundesliga and didn't melt. I don't see Ferriera ever playing at that level. He's also 6'3 and Ferreira is 4'8. So he's better suited physically for the international game at striker (although Ferreira is quite fast).

    Figueroa is easily our best youth prospect, and seemingly (for the moment) by a wide margin, from what I can see. So, one hopes, he has the potential to play in a major league. Can he fill that potential in the next few years? We can hope.
     
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  15. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In the end we took 3 striker to the last World Cup. So even if Balogun commits and is the guy there’s still going to space for other guys. Plus like every player Balogun will have the occasional injury or knock.
     
  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My current depth chart if Balogun commits

    1) Balogun
    2) Sargent
    3) Pepi
    4) Vazquez
    5) Dike
    6) Ferreira
    7) Wright
    8) Pefok
    9) Ebobisse

    If Balogun commits it’ll be interesting to see how they divide up the forward spots for Nations League and Gold Cup this summer. I assume it’d be Balogun and either Sargent or Pepi for Nations League and whoever doesn’t get picked between Sargent and Pepi along with either Dike or Vazquez for Gold Cup.
     
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  17. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If this wasn’t mentioned, as much as I’m excited for the level we could reach with Balogun, I’m proud of our boy, Pepi, because he seems like he’s finally emerging too as a legitimate forward.

    In other words, even if we have Balogun, we’re still going to want, someone like Pepi, to keep pushing himself into the team.
     
  18. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've never seen Balogun play. Who that I've heard of does he remind you of?
     
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  19. tefftlon

    tefftlon Member

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Jan 11, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody should be counting out a 22 year old...

    That said, if form continues, where does Morris come in? Looking like he is back to his pre-injury form.

    Still below Balogun (if he switches), Pepi, Sargent, and Dike at the moment. Past those 4 it's a bit of a "what do you like" over "who is better" for me.
     
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  20. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Different style than Pepi and Sargent pretty completely and a reasonably different style than Dike, at least.

    Seattle is going to move him back to winger when everyone gets back. They have too much money wrapped up in striker.
     
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  21. tefftlon

    tefftlon Member

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Jan 11, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, but we could still use him at striker.

    Once you get past the first 3-4 guys it really becomes more style than ability. All about the same ability in my opinion.
     
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  22. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Morris and Ferreira should both be in everybody's top 10.

    If they're not...............folks are overthinking it.
    They're not picking them just to make some sort of statement.
    They're both obviously in the top 10.

    You can't pick a guy in the U18s of a Euro club who's never played against an adult professional like Figueroa over Jordan Morris (or Jesus Ferreira, Vazquez, Ebobisse, etc.). Not if you're taking the exercise seriously. Those guys are the back half of my top 10. If we give ourselves Balogun (which I'm starting to believe)............then the top 5 are Balogun, Pepi, Wright, Dike, Sargent. That's my order, but its very tight until somebody grabs the bull by the horns.
     
  23. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #548 thedukeofsoccer, Mar 28, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2023
    Relevant production (in competitive matches where it could have affected outcome):

    Ricardo Pepi (800+ minutes): 7 g+a

    Josh Sargent (700- minutes): 0

    :D

    Pepi's clear.
     
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  24. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thierry Henry?
     
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  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    1. Balogun--waiting on the papers.
    2. Pepi--In addition to his exploits in the Eredivisie, he has returned to scoring with the Nats against decent sides.
    3. Wright---continues to rack up goals in Turkey.
    4. Morris--has somehow recovered the pace and is playing as well as ever. He finally looks comfortable at striker.
    5. Sargent--has fallen off a bit in league play. He also continues to get moved around.
     

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