Activate Another Lever and Still Lose to a Madrid Remontada - The Small Teams Thread

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  1. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    Apparently not, because some things really stood out.

    Lacked the experience in my opinion, Bayern bought into the hype and paid the price for it.
     
  2. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
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    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If the goaly coach isn't interested in training the other goalies at all on the level it's needed at this level than sacking him is the right decision. Neuer can hire him as personal coach if he wants.

    To let go Nagelsmann at this point is bizarre.
     
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  3. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Look at the date on this. September 22! This isn't as shocking as some people make it out to be.
     
  4. Nathanial Essex

    Nathanial Essex Member+

    Real Madrid
    England
    Mar 19, 2017
    #6354 Nathanial Essex, Mar 24, 2023
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    This sums up the Barcelona situation, and that penalty decision, pretty well. Towards the end, they pretty admitted the corruption.

     
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  5. Donauwelle

    Donauwelle Member

    Oct 10, 2011
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    You are right with all - apart from one thing. The result weren't good. Last 10 matches with 3 draws and 2 losses. From a 9 points lead on BVB to one point behind. Lowest points at this time since ages. And the downfall in the second half of the season was the same last season.

    The style Nagelsmann wants to play does not match the team's. He tries his ideas - it does not work out - the team has a meeting with him - he changes it - it runs for awhile until he tries again - and that in repeat since he is in Munich. And - if tactics for a team like Bayern only work when the team is running their asses off extremely - than they just do not fit. Not with the usual schedule. That a team turns the engine higher for big games is pretty normal.
     
  6. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    What fascinating is that coaches claim they didn't know anything about reports from Negreira but multiple newspapers, Marca included, published excerpts of them, which means, they have to have existed.
     
  7. Ahmadi8

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    Apr 14, 2005
    Bahrain
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    To cover their tracks is my guess.
     
  8. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Why would a newspaper firmly in our pocket publish something that helps Barca?
     
  9. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Reports that Nagelsmann heard that he was fired the same way we did: online.
     
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  10. Donauwelle

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    Oct 10, 2011
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    Can happen when you try to get the next coach first before you can sack your coach. Nagelsmann was on a skiing holiday.
     
  11. Nathanial Essex

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    England
    Mar 19, 2017
    It's even more damming if the coaches didn't, or even say they didn't, know about the reports. If they did, at least Barcelona could play some sporting angle because such information would surely be mainly useful for the coaches. If not, it obviously served some other purpose.
     
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  12. 4x4s

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  13. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
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    Real Madrid
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    United States
    It's hard to buy this idea that Julian Nagelsmann was an antagonistic nightmare to work with and a bad representative for your serious club when you don't have the decency to tell him that you're firing him during an international break only to replace him with *Thomas Tuchel* (with a well-documented record of antagonism)

    If we're being honest, Nagelsmann should shoot up right to the top of Madrid's candidate list. A tactician paired with a record of developing youth.

    On Raul, his path will clearly be different than that of Zidane. It's fair to argue he has a better record than Zidane at the Castilla level. However, Zidane was only given an opportunity when we were in a moment of complete desperation after Benitez and in mid-season. Had Zidane not won the Champions League with that half-season he was given, there would have been a real possibility he would have been out. For Raul, he's not going to be given those circumstances given the fact that it seems we're sticking with Carlo until the end of the season. Are we really going to give Raul the role in the summer window when there will be far more experienced options available?

    Top of my list of realistic candidates would be Nagelsmann, Zidane, Xabi Alonso. Then a tier lower would be Raul and Poch.
     
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  14. hector_br

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    Feb 13, 2007
    I just don't see Florentino trusting such a young coach to lead the team. It's a shame, cause I'd like to have someone with new ideas brought in.
     
  15. Raumdeuter

    Raumdeuter Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Are Benzema and Modric not older than Naggelsman
     
  16. Açores57

    Açores57 Member+

    Oct 4, 2015
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Neuer went ahead and broke his leg while skiing when he was advised by the club not to go. That was reckless on his part and completely jammed the team up.

    Sommer is the better keeper at this point anyway, Nagelsmann was right on that one.

    Also that goalie coach was best man in Neuer’s wedding and multiple claims he was training Neuer only as there wouldn’t be any competition. Nübel had zero working relationship with the guy and it’s why he chose to stay at Monaco.

    There's never a shortage of drama at Bayern.
     
  17. BocaFan

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    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Bayern keeping it classy as always.
     
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  18. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    There were reports last season itself that the likes of Muller, Lewandowski were not happy with Nagel. 4x4s is pretty updated on German football news so I believe he's right about this. A coach with terrible man management skills will never be a good fit at RM. Tuchel has the same issue too and I believe he's much better coach than Nagel tactically. I'd rather have ZZ back at RM.
     
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  19. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Star players and Club stalwarts have certain privileges. That's a standard across the board.

    Nagelsmann couldn't assert himself with anybody. The young players did whatever they wanted, the older ones he struggled to come to a concensus with.

    You can't be a person of authority and have zero respect from the people that are supposed to believe in you.

    At this point it's the club arguably fixing a mistake in the most brutal way possible.
     
  20. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    He's neither horrible tactically nor personally. He just proved to be a pushover, just like Villas Boas did.
     
  21. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Lopetegui was another one. I think Nagel has a stronger personality than AVB, Lope etc though. He's had issues with management too just like Flick and hence a lot of Bayern fans dislike Brozo.

    Nagel wanted Sasa from Stuttgart to replace Lewandowski while Bayern were against it. He's now at Wolves now so maybe Brozo was right.
     
  22. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    James scored today for Colombia

    James ended up more durable than Hazard and Isco
     
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  23. Aensensen

    Aensensen Member+

    Jun 10, 2011
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    Real Madrid
    Not really a factor. Do you never accept help from a doctor who's younger than you? People are specialized in different things.

    Just for the record, i am not "pro" Naggelsman. I've barely seen his Bayern play. I know nothing about him.
     
  24. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    Only two types of coach can successfully work here.

    1. the previously successful who have won trophy’s at other big clubs and have great man management ability.

    2. club legends who understand the institution and can command respect based upon their career alone. But are actually tactically smart.

    The pool of candidates is very small IMO.
     
  25. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
     
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