News: Fire Berhalter

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  1. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    That would definitely be reason that wouldn't be in the best interest of the team. Doesnt really sound like Pulisic either. I am hoping it isnt true and just want to believe that he doesn't really want the guy back. His neutral description of Berhalter was the best way talk himself and the team up.
     
  2. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Finally someone grounded reality.
     
  3. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I could see Pulisic preferring someone more accomplished but at the same time I don’t think he’s against Berhalter. I agree about talking the team up—I think Pulisic, McKennie and others genuinely think they accomplished something this past cycle even if many fans would dispute how much those accomplishments count in the grand scheme.
     
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  4. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, lets see. berhalters assistant is interim manager (running berhalters system) and there was just a month long investigation to determine if berhalter is still a candidate for the postion in which the fed stated both before and after berhalter was still a candidate (the only candidate named thus far).

    so, until we hire a manager that isnt berhalter its just as likely this is a sabatical of sorts.

    probably that.
     
  5. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    It's standard procedure. When a manager ends his contract or gets sacked, and there's no one lined up to take the spot, the assistant manager is kept in place until the new guy is hired.

    Doesn't mean anything. It's like Sarachan staying after Arena.
     
  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yup.

    If Stewart/McBride had stayed in their roles...................then they could have made an instant decision on Berhalter the second the investigation ended.

    But we know the new Sporting Director is going to make the decision on the coach. So who the hell knows what that person is going to be looking for? Everything is just speculation.

    Hudson is just interim. If I'm Hudson I go out and crush it. See if I can put my own name in the mix. Like just nail El Salvador to the wall in the Nations League. A team Berhalter drew with in 2 of the last 3 meetings. But Hudson's retention doesn't really have anything to do with Berhalter.
     
  7. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Like Sarachan, he's looking forward to a good show to enter the fray, I bet.
     
  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    The difficult part is that the USSF has said they want a Sporting Director in place before the WWC. That's in July. So can Berhalter just wait around until July to see if the new Sporting Director will even interview him? What if MLS clubs start firing coaches in mid-summer and want to talk to him? If I'm Berhalter I have to entertain those opportunities. Or Hudson if he's of interest to another program before the new Sporting Director begins the interview process.
     
  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your interpretation is possible. It’s also possible..HEAR ME OUT!!!…that there’s no conspiracy nd his players like him.
    IOW our players suck and Berhalter made the second round because he’s awesome. Got it.
     
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  10. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He also posted that the flat earth society has members all around the globe I believe…
     
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  11. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean Costa Rica would never get out of a European qualifying group…what would happen if they were drawn in a group with say England and Italy?
     
  12. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The opinion of the players is the rational one: the best way to make yourself look bad when the company is in the process of hiring a new boss, is to go around badmouthing the old one.

    You play compliments to the former boss. It's what smart people do. That way you elevate the work you do as well. It's like smart winners: they praise the ones they defeat.

    What it means is that the former boss was at least good enough. Nothing else. You'd have to be a very bad one to get your subordinates to badmouth you the moment you're out. It means they hate you so much, they lose their cool.
     
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  13. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That seems like a good topic for the Tico national team forum.

    :ROFLMAO:;):cool:
     
  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Or in Asia. Japan would destroy them. I mean, Japan destroyed Spain and Germany!
     
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  15. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is it such a terrible thing if it's true? It's possible that Berhalter is actually a decent coach. It's possible that Pulisic and the other players actually believe he's a decent coach. Those things can be true and we could still prefer other coaches. I guess I just don't get the thing where we have to believe Berhalter is a terrible person whom nobody likes to want a different NT coach.
     
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  16. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if true, pretty selfish way of looking at things - extremely so, actually.

    calling for a different coach is just the obvious right move....if pulisic or anyone thinks that ggg can get this team to where it needs to go - they are pretty clueless.

    If all a player cares about on the national team is their own situation...might as well either just not play or replace that player. "I like the coach cuz he's my friend and lets me do what I want"??? really? thats where we are???? theres 12 year olds with more maturity than that

    If pulisic and the guys like gregg cu hes like the substitute teacher they always wish they had - well, no wonder this generation seems to be floundering for their clubs and regressing
     
  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Black-and-white thinking is a symptom of a civilization entering its latest stages. It's one of those historical constants.
     
  18. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I think it is all pretty simple. The report was just published and it was the biggest news since the World Cup. Now we have this sort of bleh window with a caretaker manager so there is no reporter worth his salt that won't ask a player what they thought about Gregg and the report. The answers are usually going to be that the coach was decent. They are also going to say that they are done with the drama over Gio and just want to move on.
     
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  19. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    What? You are suggesting the players don‘t want to play put out he said/she said Real Housewife type idiocy in a relentless fashion? Anonymous individuals with no lives on the internet need to know to justify themselves! They need validation and truth (their truth only) in their one dimensional lives. That is what is real! That is what truly matters. You are missing that.
     
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  20. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Indeed, ,and anonymous social media is their sad, pathetic home. Lab studies all show that if you take out the anonymous 90% of the idiocy and vitrol disappears. These people are essentially cowards.
     
  21. tefftlon

    tefftlon Member

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Jan 11, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is almost like that Simpson meme. "Am I wrong? No, it's the players that are wrong."

    Berhalter is not a bad manager. He's not great either. He's borderline good.

    The attack really sucked most games but the defense was good no matter who played 90% of the time.
     
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  22. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    #3772 bsky22, Mar 23, 2023
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    It is possible, but seems unlikely to me based on what I observed. It kind of sucks that the media will lie to us, the federation will lie to us, and certain portion of the fanbase will perpetuate those lies.

    No, our players are generally average in terms of international soccer, but are improving. There is nothing about Berhalter as US coach that is awesome.
     
  23. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Why would it be a terrible thing if CP wanted Berhalter as coach because he is a like a substitute teacher he can walk over? I am assuming you just misread my comments.

    I dont think it is possible that Berhalter is a decent coach at the international level. He did extremely poorly trying to build a team over four years. He wasted time on players that were never going to work, had to change his approach multiple times, and ultimately never got the team playing well together.

    No idea what kind of person he is and can only go by what I see. I see corporate stooge who is full of shit. I see an insecure guy who casts out anyone who challenges him. I dont belive he is anything like the image he so desperately tries to create. Maybe not, but that is my interpretation of the little information we have.
     
  24. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    The whole EUFA discussion is STUPID. These idiots are creating a straw man by only talking about the negatives but not the positives of qualifying out of UEFA. If we were in EUFA then MLS would be in the Champions League and Europa tournament. Could you imagine how much of a boost MLS teams would get from that? And thus how much stronger the US player would be? But these morons don't concede any of that because it would destroy their already idiotic argument.
    Either we're a EUFA member or we're not.
     
  25. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    I guess I dont get why you guys are the way you are. I have never actually said that or actually seen others say it. What I have seen and think it has a lot of potential merit is that our top level might not respect him as they play higher levels for top coaches, which Berhalter isn't. This set off the crowd to try and prove that every body likes Berhalter.

    It has been real interesting watch a certain segment change their tune over the years. I mean people tried to convince us that everybody hated Klinsmann when there was clear support for him from multiple player, but are now confused of that idea when nobody is actually doing it with Berhalter. Folks who still lose there mind when LD comes up also lecture other fans that it is the coach's job to select the players. What about the "dont judge a player just because he plays in MLS" are now the ones who can't assess Tillman and CCV because they play in the SPL.

    And people wonder some hate MLS.
     

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