Next Spurs Manager

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  1. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    THFC New Manager Guide

    1. Tell fans and media how proud you are to be part of this great club (don't forget to big up the world-class training facility and the amazing stadium).

    2. After beating 3 shit sides in a row, tell everyone you are one or two signings away from challenging for the title.

    3. After your winning run comes to an end against the bottom side at home, give the old 'This Will Take Several Transfer Windows' speech or a variation.

    4. When you go winless in the first 3 games of next season, give the old 'The Fans Need to be Realistic' speech.

    5. When you are languishing in 8th in November, make the 'Well It's Not Up To Me If They Sack Me' speech.

    6. Start planning your winter holiday with your severance money for when you get the sack.
     
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  2. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    Those first two stages are great! I can't wait!

    **rubs hands together**
     
  3. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    NO former coaches back, it rarely works.
     
  4. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    ******** that. Poch in. I just wanna love Spurs again.
     
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  5. SF19

    SF19 Member+

    Jun 8, 2013
    I'd be remiss to ask, has it ever worked?
     
  6. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    Zidane
    Ancelotti
    Capello
    Del Bosque
    Heynckes
    Trapattoni
    Walter Smith


    .. just off the top of my head.
     
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  7. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
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    Conté shouldn't get a payout if sacked.
    That was a constructive resignation. It was an invitation to be sacked. He made his own position virtually untenable
     
  8. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    He gets a full years salary if he gets sacked… due to a clause , apparently
     
  9. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Whoever it is has Levy over a barrel.
     
  10. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    Peter Shreeves the second time didn't last long but no, not really. Players going back rarely works. Hiring Poch would be a backwards step.
     
  11. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    I'll never forgive him for playing an unfit Kane in the CL final when Moura banged in a hat trick in the semi. It was a PINHEADED decision. Sorry.
     
  12. pookspur

    pookspur Moderator
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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    Yeah. We lost, and that's how it works. Of course, had he started Lucas and we lost, not starting an available Kane would've been just as 'unforgivable'.

    But that's how it goes.

    I'm more disillusioned by the fact that we were shit, in general. Liverpool were there for the taking - they weren't good. How we could get to that stage and not be up for it is beyond me. Oh well.

    Still love Poch, though ... :inlove::inlove::inlove:


    ... and Lucas ... :inlove::inlove::inlove:
     
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  13. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
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    Let's be honest, Lucas has never been that good. That semi-final was a Once-In-A-Career performance and he'll always be welcome at Spurs, but in the same way Ronnie Rosenthal was for his performance against Southampton.
     
  14. pookspur

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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    Never that good?! Once-in-a-career?! What about the hat-trick v Huddersfield?!
     
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  15. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    Tottenham risk missing out on former manager Mauricio Pochettino in the summer with the Argentine high on Real Madrid's wish list if current boss Carlo Ancelotti leaves. (Times)

    Let's get Ancelotti if he leaves.
     
  16. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Tim Sherwood on talkSPORT:

    Presenter: If Ryan Mason got the job and asked you to come and help, would you go?

    Tactics Tim: Absolutely!

    God help us all.
     
  17. Chickasaw

    Chickasaw Member

    Spurs
    England
    May 8, 2022
    Serious question gentlemen. Have some of our dismissed coaches really been given enough time to get things right? Look at Arsenal now after a bad start and a near sacking. Ferguson was at Utd 5 years before he won anything.
     
  18. pookspur

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    Indiana
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    #94 pookspur, Mar 23, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2023
    That can't really be answered, can it? I mean, we can't know whether things would've gotten better or worse had any of them stayed.

    The only Enic sackings that I clearly disagreed with were Jol and Redknapp. I was ambiguous about AVB, but certainly didn't object to his dismissal. I didn't hate Sherwood anything like most, and wouldn't have, at the time, objected to keeping him on. But that wasn't one you really had strong opinions on, as you always knew, short of getting us in the CL, he was gone come the summer. I was ready for Mourinho to go, but I knew that if we lost the final, I'd regret the timing. Even Poch, who gave us the best football - both in style and results - didn't feel like a premature sacking, not because of our prolonged dip in form, but because he didn't seem committed, particularly by the standards that he, himself, had displayed. Ramos and Conte are the only two of which I unreservedly wanted/want rid.*

    I completely agree that patience with gaffers is a good thing, and that a repeatedly quick trigger probably implies some manner of weakness in overall operational tendencies, even though I don't see too many glaring errors.

    Like everyone, my Levy-based complaints would focus more on not supporting the managers - particularly the ones who have earned it (namely Redknapp and Poch) - than in replacing them. But even then I don't presume that Levy holds back readily available funds so much as he simply refuses to spend what he feels we cannot afford. I could be wrong about that, but we'll never likely know.

    To surmise: though not convinced, I will gladly concede that there may be validity in a claim that Levy is too quick to sack his managers to the cost of the club's stability on the pitch. But - and this is a critical point in this dialogue at this point in time - Conte can f*ck right off.


    *edit: oh, I forgot Santini. I didn't really have an opinion on that, as I didn't see it coming. I was in London and about to head up to Spurs v Charlton at the Lane when I found out he'd been sacked. I always kinda bought into the theory that he was just a big name brought in to passify the voices, and that if it didn't click quickly, they'd just pop the Jol/Arnesen team into place. Could be nonsense, of course, but the pieces seem to fit.
     
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  19. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
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    Poch's agents working overtime.
     
  20. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    I think in general managers don't get enough time. And the players know it. Sacking the manager is the easy way out, but it doesn't solve the problem unless you get in the players who can make a difference and get rid of the riff-raff. Arsenal are the perfect example. It would have been easy to have sacked Arteta, but they got rid of the bad apples (Ozil, Aubemayang, Lacazette, etc.) and brought in the players he needed (imagine if that had happened with Poch).
     
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  21. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    I think the club should mimic the Vatican and have the cockerel on the stadium emit white smoke when a new manager has been appointed.
     
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  22. pookspur

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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    The cruel irony is in that (initially) Poch is the one manager that Levy did back vis-a-vis the players - successfully, I might add. When Poch first came in, he saw some bad apples (perhaps not bad apples, but players that he didn't feel were pulling in the right direction) and out they went. And we're not just talking about Adebayor (who was impossible) and a few squaddies. Aaron Lennon was very established at Spurs, Younes Kaboul was seen as a quite promising centerhalf, and Etienne Capoue was, at that point, perhaps the most promising of the 'magnificent seven' (ugh). Hell, he even got rid of Michael Dawson - who was club captain and very well respected within the club - not because he was a bad apple, but because he (fairly enough :() wasn't seen as suited to the high line that Poch wanted to play. But Levy backed him and suitable replacements were brought in. The results were brilliant.

    Why Levy would back Poch then, and then not trust him later, when his credibility was far better established, is tough to figure. Perhaps the new stadium commitments had limited the availability of funds. Hindsight is 20/20, but yeah ... imagine that.
     
  23. Golara

    Golara Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    More evidence that Levy doesn't know anything about the football side of the operation.

    I will come back to Tim Sherwood's interview on talkSPORT. Now I will qualify this as saying this was Tactics Tim talking, so I don't know how much of it is pure claptrap, but according to him, the first time he named Harry Kane to start in a PL game, he had to explain his decision to Levy. I mean, wtf is Levy doing questioning the team selection? You know nothing about football, mate, you have proved it over 22 years. Eff off.

    The other thing that was shocking according to Sherwood was that Levy was considering selling Kane to Leicester for 600,000 pounds!

    Just imagine the current situation, WITHOUT Harry Kane.
     
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  24. pookspur

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    Nov 3, 2001
    Indiana
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    I saw that. Tim has always rather championed himself in the making of Harry Kane, so I took that with a tiny grain of salt. I mean, I'm sure he had regular meetings with the chairman, but making it sound has though he had to battle to play Kane ... dunno ... I suppose it could be true. Still, yeah ... an eyebrow raiser.

    I saw another of the talking heads (can't remember which) talking about this (as they all are), and he pointed out another incident that similarly implies a degree of disfunction. In that All or Nothing documentary, when Danny Rose goes in to complain to Mourinho about playing time, when he doesn't get the response he wants from the manager, he says (I'm paraphrasing), "right, I guess I'll just go and see Daniel, then". The commentator (oh, it was that Rory guy, the Chelsea fan from The Kickoff podcast) rightly suggests that it's an effed up structure when a manager has to worry about players going over his head every time they're dropped. My recollection is that Levy backed Mourinho and Rose ended up looking rather bad. But I would definitely agree that the fact that Levy would even see a player about such things indicates the same problem that Sherwood's story suggests.
     
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