Okay, maybe. Though I've got to say I don't personally see it (and the fact that he grabs his shin and not his calf makes me believe the relevant contact here is on the front of the leg). Regardless, do you see it clearly enough to say that's a reckless foul worthy of a 2CT? Nearly everything a referee calls at this level is defensible, with very rare exception. It doesn't make every call correct. I geninuely think, if there's a foul here, it's going the other way. #10 plays the ball with his right foot to avoid the defender and the defender sticks his right leg in, missing the ball and tripping up #10. If the defender gets the worst of it physically, that's tough luck. Unless, of course, you clearly see a motion with the foot that rises to the level of misconduct for #10 as you suggest (and even then, I'd note, the foul still should technically be going in, but that becomes a much weirder and harder sell, admittedly).
How are referees at this level so bad at handling situations like these? In the first one, running immediately into the pile and standing there holding up a red as the pile closes in on him. On the second, the referee literally baited the player into touching him. He practically ran into the player for no reason because he’s overly aggressively trying to prevent a minor confrontation, then the player reflexively bumps him off of him, straight red. This should be considered entrapment. What the hell is going on in USLC Also that first one is far different from the one that happened in EPL. In the USLC one it’s completely isolated part of the field, player gets red, befuddled, leaves. In the EPL one, mitrovic assaults kavanaugh, gets straight red, continues bearing down on him berating him, kavanaugh has to retreat, then after this players start surrounding him again yelling at him. It actually does help my original question though. If the entire kavanaugh situation occurred in this USLC match rather than what happened, match termination still isn’t an option right?
First NWSL assignments (with VAR) are out. https://proreferees.com/2023/03/22/2023-nwsl-assignments-week-1/
Depends. I know it is going to change relatively soon. And the drop-off could be very sharp. You can make an argument for putting your best foot forward. But when you know you'll be stretched for personnel quite soon, you can also make an argument for just easing everyone in and getting through growing pains.
A bit of congestion in South Texas this weekend. The USL-C, NWSL, MLS Next Pro games in Houston, Austin, and San Antonio all share at least one official with one other game during the weekend. Austin FC II vs Houston Dynamo 2 Parmer Field (9PM ET Friday) REF: Jeremy Scheer AR1: Jay Norris AR2: Jennifer Dumaine 4TH: Melvin Rivas Houston Dynamo vs New York City FC Shell Energy Stadium (8:30PM ET Saturday) REF: Guido Gonzales Jr AR1: Brooke Mayo AR2: Walt Heatherly 4TH: Danielle Chesky Austin FC vs Colorado Rapids Q2 Stadium (8:30PM ET Saturday) REF: Ted Unkel AR1: Corey Rockwell AR2: Ricardo Ocampo 4TH: Jeremy Scheer San Antonio vs Colorado Springs Switchbacks Toyota Field (8:30PM ET Saturday) REF: Brandon Stevis AR1: Noah Kenyawani AR2: Samuel Zamora 4TH: Melvin Rivas Houston Dash vs Racing Louisville Shell Energy Stadium (7PM ET Sunday) REF: Danielle Chesky AR1: Jennifer Garner AR2: Mike Nickerson 4TH: Melvin Rivas
I was pretty sure the CBA prevented PRO officials from doing games on back to back days (I think it is actually 48 hours on field, not VAR). Since PRO2 officials don't have doesn't have a CBA yet, they are the ones doubling up and it is all 4ths/Referees.
First yellow (33') and subsequent red card have been successfully appealed by Sacramento Republic. https://www.uslchampionship.com/news_article/show/1265973
Yellows can be appealed? And that’s the one that got rescinded? I mean I guess you can only rescind what’s appealed. But given the apparent standards here I wonder about that second caution in Memphis.
Also, was the appeal upheld because “that’s not a caution?” Or did they go down the mistaken identity path that I initially raised?
I don’t think that’s mistaken identity. It looks like what the first yellow was given for was probably the slight push at 32:35 that I guess led to the attacker falling down a few seconds later? Which would be categorized under SPA for stopping the counter attack? Maybe lack of respect? Seemed extremely harsh even for me. But I think I do support being able to appeal one of the YCs leading to a send off. Would probably only get rescinded if it was egregiously bad
Right. I wrote earlier that I understood the foul/caution once someone else pointed it out. But that doesn't meant that the panel that reviewed this also understood that reasoning. At first look, it does appear like mistaken identity even if it wasn't. And I have relatively little confidence that a panel like this would do a deep analytical dive. Which, of course leads to the question about process around these appeals. Is the referee team consulted to defend a yellow card? Do they even know it is being appealed? And the problem with supporting the appeal of one yellow card leading to a 2CT is exactly this. You want it to be "egregiously bad." Well, both of these cautions are easily justifiable. Also, the presumed disconnect around not being able to appeal yellows that lead to accumulation suspensions but being able to appeal if they lead to 2CTs is staring everyone in the face.
We've got out first red card for the 2023 US Open Cup. Only took two games. El Farolito (NPSL) vs. International San Francisco (Calif.) - 1st Round - 85' - https://streamja.com/e5d79 Can a mod modify this thread title to include US Open Cup well? I don't think we need a separate thread again this year.
Are you talking about APPALACHIAN VS. NORTH CAROLINA FUSION 2 - 1 at the 40th minute? If so, the camera doesn't catch it. None of the cameras do and there's no replay. If I had to guess, elbow to face while going for the ball.
It also took me a number of times watching the video to even see what happened, but that's what helped me realize that it wasn't mistaken identity. You're right that appealing cautions does start opening a can of worms. Really the only "egregiously bad" reasons I could think of are either mistaken identity or simulation on a SPA/reckless YC. It really would be nice if USL clarified what exactly led to this caution being rescinded.
I'll get the red cards later but here's a penalty that was given in the Beaman Utd v Des Moines Menace in the 56th minute. https://streamja.com/60JwA Am I missing something?
Well the camera angle isn't going to show us anything concrete, but I would assume that he's claiming that the defender slid through the back of the attacker's legs to get the ball to clear it out rather than doing a fair clearance and the attacker falling over him. Ignoring the decision itself, the thing that I don't agree with is how long it took him to call the penalty. It took a full three seconds after the challenge to call it. That seems strange to me. I feel like if you're going to make a PK call for something like this, you gotta be immediate on the whistle. And I assume it would also be YC worthy for going through the back of the player, if that's what he's giving a PK for?
Reddits mls board is doing daily is open cup threads with links to the recorded streams and game tracker of important events https://www.reddit.com/r/MLS/commen...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Every game has 6-8 yellows cards lol. I gotta watch these clips when I get time
I watched a few of the games yellow card situations so far and these players act hilarious. Guy gets a second yellow for clapping for the ball boy to give him the ball then he walks 5 yards onto the field with it and throws it alway. It was the opponents throw in. Acts dumbfounded as to why he got a yellow. Guy gets a yellow for jumping straight up on the touch line in front of the thrower for FRD. Thrower falls down like he was punched. Also happened in another game as well, a simple FRD throw in and the thrower has to act like he was assaulted Pure comedy