PBP: Chelsea V Everton

Discussion in 'Chelsea' started by StamfordBridgeLions, Mar 18, 2023.

  1. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Dyche is a good rugby coach.

    Didn't we hire a motivational rugby coach to get our players psyched up?
     
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  2. Dtrip77

    Dtrip77 Member+

    Jun 10, 2009
    N NJ!!!
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Todd summed it up nicely..."sh!t fcuking game"

    Potter is showing his inexperience again. I understand the first win in this run needed to happen so we parked the bus. But the boys were on a 3 game winning streak, empower the players! They have confidence, let them continue with our attacking options. Very frustrating
     
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  3. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

    Chelsea, Gillingham
    Jul 17, 2004
    Freedom
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    yep, I still fear Potter is not capable of escaping his mid-table frustrate better teams, play it safe and get a third of each result for @51 points to 41 points approach.

    He talks about his way/system won't change and players have to adapt but near every coach who is rigid at Chelsea, or most teams fails in the end, other then Pep, but Pep adapts far more than is recognized.
     
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  4. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Well there is no ideal starting XI in the modern game, you are allowed a whole bunch of substitutions and it seems some managers feel almost compelled to always use them. BUT You don’t change a CB in the last 5 mins though, why would you do that? No injury. No emergency, just tinkering.



    Also, Pulisic was having a decent game, but he was running out of steam, so I was thinking Mudryck for the last part of the game, where his pace and fresh legs would add pressure upon Everton. Our other attacking outlet Felix and he was also taken off, so we now had little chance of a goal on the break. Counter attacking would result in another goal or two. All seemed pretty obvious to me, but then I am not a world class manager and gp went with shoring up the midfield and inviting Everton to attack us. Never really sensible imho, unless you have very technically gifted midfield players, which we do not have outside of Kova and Enzo. Kante brings in something different and also would be worth using. But GP went with Gallagher and Chuky and the inevitable happened. Not that Gallagher and Chuky are bad players, but this is not the way to use them and trying to maintain and ‘hold on’ against a team we should be beating 4 or 5 nil is a little ridiculous anyways. In fact it is beyond ridiculous and will GP ever change this? That is what is very disheartening.
     
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  5. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    What! 4 or 5 nil!? How many games have Everton lost by 4 or 5 nil this season and what is it about Chelsea FC that makes you think we should be beating them by that much? I think City drew 1-1 at home to Everton and beat Everton 0-1 away - in fact I think our results against Everton have been the same as City's, I'm not sure why we should be beating them by 5 every time we play them.
     
  6. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Your beloved Arsenal beat them 4-0 . . .Is that not our destination? do we not plan to be as good as Arteta's Arsenal --- is that not your crazy dream? AND good old Brighton beat them 4-1 . . .
     
  7. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Yeah and Arsenal also LOST to Everton 1 - 0, that means that this season we picked up 4 points from our matches with Everton while Arsenal picked up 3. I can see no reason to justify why we should be sitting here thinking 'we should be beating this lot by 4 or 5'.
     
  8. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Well, it seems like you're happy with the result. We did "win" 69% of the possession, so I guess there is that. A lot of us other fans watching the game were a little disappointed with the game and the performance and the tactical substitutions and that we still continue to lack that 'killer instinct' and the general unmotivated malaise and tedium of "Potter Ball".
     
  9. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I'm not happy with the result but lets be honest for periods in the first half our football was magnificent, let me ask you - have you seen the team improving over the last couple of months? I have. All the time we are getting better then we have nothing to worry about when it comes to the future, if our performances start getting worse, and I don't mean just with the odd game but over a period of time, then we should worry.
     
  10. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    #35 StamfordBridgeLions, Mar 22, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2023
    Well, there has been some improvement for sure. but could it get worse? And the reason for that improvement is the club signing Enzo and getting players like James and Chillwell back from injury. I think the players are doing better, despite the Potter MasterClass. imho we lost [sorry drew] against Everton because of the tinkering of your chap Potter. We should have won the game, with the players that we have, and we didn't because we 'backed off' and made substitutions that gave the initiative to Everton. I guess our kiwi coach in charge of motivation has not worked his magic yet. Maybe we should also hire a tactical and substitution coach as well? take the pressure of GP.
     
  11. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Well of course getting your best players back from injury is going to make a difference, its funny how this fact is mentioned when things are 'better' but completely ignored when things are going badly! The reason we didn't beat Everton was nothing to do with Potter and EVERYTHING to do with poor defensive errors...........and that was the fault of the defensive players involved! At times in that game our football was sublime, and when the players get to know each other and the system better we are going to be 'up there'. Arsenal played brilliantly......in patches last season and look how its going for them as the players settle into Arteta's system.
     
  12. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Bingo! you got it! And who were the defensive players involved? Or to put it another way, why would you substitute a centre back in the dying minutes of a game? What kind of unnecessary managerial tinkering is that?

    And before that the managerial tinkering took off Pulisic and Felix - attacking players - and put on two different players in Gallagher and Chuky and by making that tactical and managerial change invited the opposition to take the initiative.

    Simply put, we failed to win the game due to these poor inept managerial choices. Potter is tinkering more than Ranieri ever did and GP is niave and lacking in vision. The proof is in the pudding.
     
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  13. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    At this point Pulisic had run out of legs, we could all see that but ultimately you can't blame defensive mistakes made by players during the game on the manager just because he picked them to play!!!!!
     
  14. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    #39 StamfordBridgeLions, Mar 23, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2023
    ?

    As you said, the game was going well, at what point did that change? I will tell you. The game changed in favour of Everton with the tactical substitutions our manager made.

    Pulisic replaced by Mudryck or Noni - sure that would have made sense. But changing the tactical outlook of the game in favour of less attacking players that is a managerial choice. A tactical and managerial mistake.

    You don't take off a CB - Wes Fofana - late in the game, for NO reason whatsoever. The late goal came about from the constant tactical changes. Potter took off Fofana and exposed our defence at the end of a game. Why? That is more of a tactical error than a player error. Potter threw it all out of the window right at the end of the game. Why? Potter's tactics put us in jeopardy and then into a nose dive. Another game which is an example of his dreadful game management.
     
  15. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The game changed because Everton needed to get goals, if Chelsea didn't lead they were quite happy to stay with 11 behind the ball. Again their goals were defensive mistakes and for that you have to blame the players on the pitch!! Chelsea at time played sublime football and they will only, eventually, get better. If they don't put in better performances next season then we'll talk about Potter, until then, give him a bloody chance!
     
  16. Dr_Intoxicated

    Dr_Intoxicated Member+

    Sep 10, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Wasn't Fofana taken off as he was suffering and we don't want a recurrence of his injury just as is coming back
     
  17. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Graham Potter said Wesley Fofana was taken off late due to "fatigue". Which seems to me that he was 'covering his ass' after the fact to justify the substitution.
     

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