The Official Cade Cowell thread

Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by Goodsport, Jan 23, 2019.

  1. RocktheCasbah4

    Dec 20, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Totally agree. That said, Cade is such a speciman compared to Lenny. He has a height, strength, speed combo that I would bet puts him in the 99th percentile of professional world footballers and he just doesnt use those gifts enough. He plays like he is a much better dribbler than he is, even if he is a pretty decent one.
     
  2. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    80 percentile for sure. If he can hone in on his gifts, he will be 90th. I don't think he's a world class soccer player and probably never will be. He should shift into a 9 and he would be EXCEPTIONAL
     
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  3. RocktheCasbah4

    Dec 20, 2013
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    I'm talking pure athletic horsepower here, nothing to do with skill. He would crush the 40 yard dash, 40 inch vert and bench press, in other words #nflexplainstheworld.
     
  4. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Easy 99% then lolol.

    He's built like a full back. He'd probably be a bad ass NFL player.
     
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  5. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To me, the biggest diff between Cade & Lenny is that Lenny was fearless and reckless to the point of being stupid. That shortens your career but really helps your goal-scoring.
     
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  6. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #1206 JazzyJ, Mar 17, 2023
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    Lenny's and Cade's game are totally different, though, at least so far. Lenny played CF, back to the goal more like Jebo, but more physical and reckless than Jebo. Cade is at least trying to be more of a winger / take-you-on-with-the-ball cut-in guy. He's not a box crasher like Lenny. The Jordan Morris comparison, which I made almost 2 and a half years ago is closer.

    Even though he doesn't play recklessly thru challenges, I don't think Cade's getting credit for kind of powering thru threm. You see him sometimes try to play thru one or two guys, and at the end of it oftentimes he's still got the ball (and then he plays a poor final ball :) - oh well, baby steps).
     
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  7. scotto

    scotto Member

    Feb 13, 2001
    Bonny Doon, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After watching Haaland over the last couple of weeks, I am thinking that's who Cade should model is game after. He has the speed and the strength to play in a similar way and just be a frickin' battering ram in the box. He tries to play too cute when he's on the wing. Not sure what that would mean for Jebo if they played Cade as a #9.
     
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  8. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s how I remember Lenny, a reckless battering ram in the box who never played cute. Obviously tho Lenny is no Haaland.
     
  9. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I don't think Cade wants opponents to get mad at him, whereas enraging the opponents was an art form for Lenny. That's what made Lenny a fun player to watch, whereas Cade is so often disappointing.
     
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  10. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #1210 JazzyJ, Mar 18, 2023
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    He was a battering ram but also not w/o skills on the ball, and surprisingly good pace. I ran into him on the beach one day in Santa Cruz and he was with his giant dog. And this is when he couldn't really play anymore because of his knee. But he was dribbling a tennis ball with his bare feet running full speed on the sand.
     
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  11. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    #1211 chris thebassplayer, Mar 18, 2023
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    Lenny was such a great well rounded forward. It was all there, his awareness and ability to read the game were top notch...he was so much more than a physical presence. his ability to bait CBs and use their momentum against them was a real skill. they all wanted to kill him, which was very predictable...and expected by him..... to over commit themselves...really opened up so much space for Wondo and others. I was gutted when he had to shut it down early.

    Cade's situation is a real puzzle. Imo, it's mostly between the ears for Cade, the mindset and decision making. It is frustrating, there are sequences or reads where he nails it, which would lead you to believe he's finally starting to mentally put it together, then the next 3 similar situations, he makes abysmal reads or decisions on the play, well below what is necessary. I'm racking my brain trying to figure out why his learning curve has almost flattened out over the last year or so... why he can't learn from his mistakes and start to consistently make better decisions.

    His game with the nats against Serbia was completely different from what we see with the Quakes. Like the lightbulb over his head finally turned on. He looked really dialed in....that might possibly be due to the different tactics with the nats. even though he was on the wing he played very high like an old fashioned wing...less defensive expectations to back track deep defensively. that seemed to suit him better...a simpler proactive role. I don't think flank attacker with more defensive responsibilities suits him well. Luchi is having Cade and Espinoza occasionally make more inside runs...but I'm in the camp he would have higher potential playing as a 9 without having to track back deep. He definitely needs to work on his skillset to play the 9, but I'm beginning to think he needs to focus on a simpler game to be successful...work on his hold up, work on his heading, work on his runs and finishing...and be the one receiving the last pass instead of being part of the build up and delivery of the last pass....but like previous convos, it's a catch 22, because Jebo is firmly in place at the 9.
     
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  12. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
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    San Jose Earthquakes
  13. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    This is pretty interesting, and could enable a team that's able to use it effectively and innovatively to get a competitive edge. And apparently they have some promising data:

    Through research over 2014-19, they found that youth players in the top third for cognitive scores when initially tested had an average market value that was around seven times higher than the youth players in the bottom third for cognitive scores.

    The other interesting thing about it is that the article implies that it's something you have or you don't. IOW it's not something you can necessarily train into players. This runs at odds with Jesse's "cognitive dominance" idea where we were going to train our players to be smarter soccer players than the rest and thereby "cognitively dominate" our opposition. Of course coaching to do the right thing is part of the deal, but I never took Jesse's idea very seriously beyond that. All teams are trying to do that.
     
  14. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I do believe it is innate. I guess you can slightly improve decision making performance through repetition...muscle memory in certain game situations. But some players can process information so ridiculously fast in any given situation...the combination of raw athleticism with the high end processing takes you to highest level...you can't get to that level without it.

    I'm curious if the Quakes staff is moving towards this type of testing...hope so, seems like a great tool for assessment.
     
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  15. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    If comes down to “vision” essentially doesn’t it? There’s the processing of information but also the ability to imagine what’s going to come next and to make the right decision based on that.

    I hate to say it but based on what I’ve seen I’m not sure Cade would score well. :-(
     
  16. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I didn't want to go there, but I agree. I think the article states, they have a pretty good idea if a player has it or not by the age of 15.... Niko on the other hand, imo, would be on the higher end of the scale...probably Medina too.
     
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  17. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Basically looking for the soccer version of Brock Purdy?
     
  18. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you are going to say that, don't forget the requisite #nflexplainstheworld.:)
     
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  19. jetdog9

    jetdog9 Member+

    Nov 14, 2007
    Bay Area, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He'd be more effective up there IMO. Right now the world is turning him into the next Brek Shea.
     
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  20. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, but he is not as good as Ebo, so he would sit. His short game is average at best and his finishing needs a lot of improvement. However, as others have noted, it's mostly in his head. Unless he solves the head part, his career is not going to go much farther...
     
  21. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Well, i think we've already found him...a certain fellow named Christopher Wondolowski...if he had anything approaching international level athleticism, he would have been world class...sharpest mind on the field, same level as LD...
     
  22. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Interesting thing about Wondo, for me anyway, is that I thought it was all innate with him. But he wrote this excellent piece on his thought process back in 2015. And there is a lot of calculation about it. But I think it's both (and in fact part of the article is about visualization) - he had the innate sense and also the logical thought process to give himself the best chance to succeed. IOW for him I think it was both art and science, and that set him apart.
     
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  23. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
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    Wayne Gretzky.
     
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  24. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    It would be interesting to see a comparison of Wonderlic Contemporary Cognitive Ability Test scores for Wondo and Cade.
     
  25. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I used to think that tennis players were the smartest athletes I personally knew, until I started playing soccer. Then I realized that the best soccer players were really smart. Those are both games where the ability to anticipate and figure out the next couple of shots or passes helps one excel.

    As an example, I read once that Pulisic watched soccer all the time and could analyze a game he was watching at age 9. Apparently he is also a good chess player.
     

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