Fire Tim Bezbatchenko

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by hangthadj, Feb 4, 2022.

  1. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I knew I couldn't be the only one perplexed by stanger's non-response to the question. The attempt an an explanation with the standard emoji ending only betrays himself further.

    Like Porter maybe needed a few more years to implement his system, maybe Bez needs an additional 5 years for roster construction. He just needs that additional job security after already having five years of job security.

    When one builds their opinions mostly reactionary against someone else's opinions they are bound to back themselves into a corner. James is in the corner. Someone call Johnny Castle.
     
  2. Ball Kicker

    Ball Kicker Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Aug 11, 2022
    How much more time does Bez get?

    Technically, Nancy was the first coach he hired while at the Crew, does he now get 2+ years to buy Nancy’s preferred players? In my opinion, I don’t see him gone after this year, but a case can be made if the Crew aren’t at least flirting with the supporters shield for him to get the boot.
     
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  3. Meddlin' Truckstop Owner

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Aug 21, 2022

    This is a very #OneLove post ... which is great... but also lets Bez off the hook, IMO.

    Does he now have the coach he wants?
    (We assume the answer is Yes.)

    Has he had ample budget?
    (Yes. According to SKC's SB Nation Blog, the Crew finished 2021 and 2022 in the top 10 in team payroll)

    If this team is "rebuilding" or "transitioning" for multiple years, tough to see how he does not own a lot of it for landing there.

    Going forward, Bez needs to walk the plank if he doesn't hit the mark for sustained contention.

    And shame on ownership if they haven't required that target date.
     
  4. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    This is a message board, right? My responses are to other posts are are not all-inclusive of my opinions. But props to anyone that thinks I form my opinions from what they post. That’s some serious ego!

    [emoji23]
     
  5. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Here is an example of a reasonable post, critiquing a post, but engaging the subject at hand with actual data to support a personal opinion, and suggesting a path forward. And I agree with near all of it.

    Even a Meddlin’ Truckstop Owner can do this. This isn’t that hard. He even managed it without an emoji.
     
  6. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’s been here 4+ years. How longs before it’s Bez’s roster?
     
  7. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok we almost had some opinions on the thread topic here which is a welcome change of pace.

    Would it be accurate to say you think it is unfair to say a GM in his 5th season with the team is responsible for the roster construction?

    I wonder what criteria you think we can use to judge Bez? Or is the whole exercise pointless due to our lack of insight into the mechanics of how he does his job. The roster is what it is and any discussion of how it has come together is nothing we should concern ourselves with. They are our players on our team and that's all there is to it.

    I think his failures include not replacing Valenzuela with a viable MLS starting level left back for years. Overpaying Mensah, Room, Nagbe, and Santos. Size isn't everything but it seems like Bez loves a short-king. Sands, Yeboah, Matan, Cucho, Lucas, etc, all tiny. It showed vs RBNY.

    Anyway, not upset, just disappointed. Your nonsense off topic post seemed particularly out of place and should have just remained a personal thought.
     
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  8. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Sep 28, 2021
    #333 TRUJDUB21, Mar 21, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2023
    Bez is too full of himself ,pompous (pompas lol )one might say. He got LZ and somehow we made a improbable playoff run which we all cherish. But since the point in time he has made one bad decision after another. While I’ll admit it’s not all at the fault of Bez ,he should get the lions share of the blame. I was mocked for saying firing Porter wouldn’t solve all our problems and that Bez was the biggest problem. Porter might have been a asshole and been a part of the bad roster decisions but had he had a better roster i think we make the playoffs.

    Ownership is a problem too but Molino contract brings a new term it’s not Bamboozled it’s Bezboozled when someone gives a injury prone guy a multi year contract ! Molino’s agent pulled off one hell of a robbery. Maybe one day Bez will admit all his mistakes but probably won’t happen even if he was fired. He doubles down on his roster mistakes with outrageous statements. Porter should have threw him under the bus instead of insulting players.
     
  9. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paging Mr. @Timon19 please pick up the white courtesy phone.
     
  10. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Jesus. That's a new one.

    I think I've been mortally injured.
     
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  11. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Sep 28, 2021
    Oh yeah pompous , fell asleep and didn’t even notice. Woke up and hit post

    Pretty sure I’m not getting graded on spelling
     
  12. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
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    Borussia Mönchengladbach
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    United States
    Eh, we had "wholistic" earlier in this thread....
     
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  13. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Spelling is but one of many aspects of writing that you do violence to.
     
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  14. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    STOP IT.
     
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  15. TRUJDUB21

    TRUJDUB21 Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Sep 28, 2021
    I’m sure but then again this is a message board. So I’ve seen much worse on Bucknuts and a few other places.
     
  16. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can judge Bez however you would like.

    Valenzuela was a difficult situation and he gambled and lost. He did the exact opposite on Molina and also lost. Room is overpaid, no question. Santos and Nagbe were not IMO, nor was Mensah.

    I somewhat agree on the size of the players being an issue.

    Nancy came in too late to really change the makeup of the roster to his liking and a few players that didn’t fit, like Mensah, were let go without suitable replacement.

    So, to answer your question, you looking at it as 5 years in is unfair because of the coaching change.

    Not trying to shut down conversation or devalue your opinion, I just disagree with your characterization of the situation.

    I’m still allowed to do that, disagree, right?

    [emoji9]
     
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  17. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Here come the grammar police pseudo-intellectuals pretending to raise the level of discourse. What a time to be alive. As useful as an Aidan Morris or Darlington Nagbe back-pass.
     
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  18. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    This is not the mitigation you think it is.
     
  19. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    When Bez awarded Porter his contract it was, at the time the longest guaranteed contract in MLS. It still may be. By this rationale, that was a stroke of genius. He could ride out the contract till near the end, and if Porter didn't succeed then he could switch managers and wash his hands of responsibility.

    Genuinely curious as to when a GM/Sporting Director/President is able to be judged for his coaching decisions and his player acquisitions? What is the mathematical formulation his contract, coaching contracts, and player contracts? Should the Crew miss the playoffs again this season with Nancy does Bez get a free pass because he held onto Porter too long? Does the fact that he's traded Zardes and Mensah at the start of two consecutive seasons with no replacements ready under two different managers deserve a pass because they were two different managers?

    How many more years than five years is "fair" to question whether Bez is the right guy to take this team forward?
     
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  20. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would at least get the coach a few players he wants, so a few transfer windows?

    Oh, wait. That wasn’t a serious question, was it.

    [emoji6]
     
  21. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    It was several questions. And as usual from you, nothing approaching one serious answer. If you want to give Bez an extension based on the fact that he hired a new manager, after failing to garner sustained success with the previous manager, just say it. Otherwise, you are obviously just trolling.
     
  22. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, we do have one championship--in a very even league. We also have missed the playoffs. We have a new coach. I'd at least like to see that through next year. That said, while I don't think his seat is hot, it's warming up. And should be.
     
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  23. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Saying we should give him an opportunity to work with the new coach isn’t a serious answer?
     
  24. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nobody is discounting the Championship. People are looking at the whole body of work. Since the Championship we have moved on from the manager. We have moved on from the leading goalscorer, Artur, Mensah, Santos, Afful, Ettienne, and a handful of others. You can be thankful for the Championship and still think people should be held accountable.

    Furthermore, I don't think necessarily firing a manager to bring in a new one should give you increased job security. Given that you want to give him through next year, if we miss the playoffs 2 more years in a row, does Nancy get an additional two years to work with a new President? If the glow of the Championship is still there, then so should the more numerous failures. A new hire doesn't wipe the slate entirely or selectively clean. His seat should be hot.

    Can you show me anywhere where someone is seriously suggesting that he should be fired immediately? Of course people think he should be working with the new manager. The question is how long. A page or two back, you lashed out at the suggestion that average, meaning even sneaking into the playoffs was something to aspire to. That would be an improvement over several past seasons under Bez. You were then called out on your typically reactionary stance, and stumbled through some attempts at explanations, cherry picking some questions to answer while ignoring others that further exposed the intellectual hollowness of your reactionary stance.

    So, no, I don't think setting up a straw man to suggest that anyone who questions Bez's roster construction is saying that Bez should be barred from working with the manager is a serious answer. Nobody is asking for him to be fired immediately. Those who are criticizing the roster are looking at several years of a body of work that have led us to this point. Each of them hopes for multiple things, players that Bez has brought in over the past 5 years to improve under a new manager and/or Bez to identify the holes in a roster 5 years in the making and make improvements. The straw man isn't a serious answer. Once again given the opportunity to answer multiple questions you cherry picked and provided an answer where there is no there, there.
     
  25. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn’t do any of the things you attributed to me.

    I think Bez should get the opportunity to evaluate the current roster and acquire players the new coach wants. I don’t have an exact timeline for gauging his job performance.

    I’m sorry if I don’t respond within your parameters.

    [emoji849]
     

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