The California Thread

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Knave, Nov 9, 2018.

  1. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    A Utah Dem tried to get included in a water conservation law that certain businesses or business sectors had to report water usage, one of them being golf courses. Needless to say, it did not pass.
     
  2. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
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    Seattle Sounders
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    France
    The rich need playgrounds after all - definitely more important than poor people having access to water. :(
     
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  3. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not that I want to express too much sympathy for golf courses, which I generally find a tremendous waste of space, but most of them use reclaimed water in California.
     
  4. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    Well, that's what the 6 state proposal does. California's counter proposal was to cut off the municipalities and to follow the "law of the river" rules, which is what I'm calling first come, first serve. As a result of this, California farmers would be guaranteed their current water rights levels first, then the farmers from each state would be guaranteed their current water rights levels based on when the state started diverting water, then the municipalities would be given whatever water was left.
     
  5. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    There are five golf courses in San Francisco.
     
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  6. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Obviously, they are really close to solving the issue. :D

    Sorry, I was operating under the possibility that the 6-state solution would be renegotiated to accommodate municipal use if California was at the table. I think there would be mob-like hits if California politicians and civil servants drastically changed the water rights laws without the Fed forcing their hand. Hell, there still may be.
     
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  7. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Not a part of California that uses water from the Colorado River Basin.
     
  8. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Yeah, but it's certainly an example of wasting space. Some of the most expensive land in the world, and you have this massive sterile acreage being enjoyed by just a few dozen people at a time.
     
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  9. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    #509 Yoshou, Mar 21, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2023
    From what I understand, the 6-state solution was a total solution for the entire basin. The non-California states just hoped that by presenting a unified front, CA would be more amendable to accepting their solution. What they didn’t account for was California giving them the middle finger and saying “FU!”

    I also suspect that the states hoped that by having an agreement amongst themselves the Feds would adopt their plan vs the current Fed solution which is to impose a 25% cut. I believe it was to be focused on the lower basin, but don’t hold me to that.
     
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  10. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    I understood it as #2. It was clear California was going to go it’s own way from the get-go.
     
  11. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I see as many people walking at the former golf course in San Geronimo Valley as I used to see playing golf there.
     
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  12. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    As an avid golfer I can assure you most golf courses are not a waste of space.

    Especially courses like Pebble Beach and the other courses on the Monterrey Peninsula.
     
  13. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m not sure that makes your argument more persuasive to a non-golfer.:D
     
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  14. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Chicago Fire
    As an avid non-golfer, I AM sure that it does not make the argument more persuasive.
     
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  15. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    Oh definitely. California isn't technically required to do anything since existing law benefits them.
     
  16. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    I think that is part of the point though; to get away from the hustle and bustle for a few hours and relax. I am not a golfer but it is pretty obvious.

    the same can be said for camping I suppose?
     
  17. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    But how many people do they serve? They take up about the space that Golden Gate Park does, but that serves so many people in so many ways and has room for a little bit of nature as well.
     
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  18. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Or, going to a library or a movie theater or pretty much any leisure time activity. Most don't take up hundreds of acres of pristine land and require ridiculous amounts of upkeep.
     
  19. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    There has been a @Knave sighting! I guess he took a second to stop gnawing the meat off of some poor traveler's thigh to chime in on the most pressing of issues: the importance, popularity, and talent of various musicians.

    How are things now in and around Tahoe? The last 10 days have been an absolute dream in SLC.
     
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  20. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Still a ton on the ground. But it's melting! Little bit more snow coming in tonight, however.

    Starting to think about swapping out my winter and summer tires. But I don't trust things fully yet to make the switch.
     
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  21. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    We've got a storm that hits tonight/tomorrow. I'll switch mine out after that. Odd, considering I've been using my eBike all last week.
     
  22. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After spending a week in CA on vacation, I have a question for those that live in CA.. Do you not know that the right lane in a 2-lane highway exists? :) I was in the Santa Barbara area for a week and I noticed that once a car got into the left lane, they never left that lane, even if they were going slower than the cars in the right lane. The only times I saw a car move from the left lane to the right lane was if they came upon a slower moving car in the left lane, or to exit the highway.
     
  23. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Can't account for your experience, but slower traffic is supposed to keep right.
     
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  24. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I saw the signs, but it definitely wasn't followed at all.
     
  25. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Did you at least enjoy the obnoxious satisfaction of tailgating the guy before passing him on the right and then cutting him off?
     
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