Breakout Youth Player in MLS/USL 2023 edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Dec 17, 2022.

  1. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    For those smaller teams the fan base is passionate but small and very local. You just need to live an hour away from the field and nobody even recognizes you.
     
  2. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Oh, that answer isn't that hard. They said it on In Soccer We Trust recently.

    "If you don't guard, you won't play."

    There are very few players good enough to not defend. For a ton of these players, they simply don't do the off ball work. Not all of them. Some of them are athleticism holes, or inability to read the game, or whatever. But Thomas Roberts? I'd bet a million to one that's about defending.
     
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  3. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I blame the all touch video crowd for this misunderstanding. Too often we see fans gets juiced over short highlight videos....the game is 90 minutes. Most of the game is played without the ball.........
     
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  4. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Sure, but it is also just every fan in every sport. Offense over defense, on ball over off ball. It's a natural tendency.
     
  5. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure, off ball play gets underrated. Technically speaking, a good majority of the game takes place with you on the ball or even around it.

    That said, your highest importance moments, generally speaking, are what you do on or around the ball. A highlight video can tell a good story for certain positions closer to either goal - like keeper and centre forward - because it's a game that's so low scoring. If you do a few major things, you ultimately were a plus.

    And for the position in between, your moments around the ball are going to tell most of the story, just not nearly all. You may not be getting around well enough. But if you are efficient on both o & d, you may well have made up the gap.

    BTW, nobody should be conflating every touch and highlight videos. These are two very different things. One tells you the good that is naturally going to make everybody appear attractive. The other gives you numerous snapshots of good and bad that you can weigh. That's been a big service to having an adequate understanding of what took place for a player in a game you didn't watch. In addition, that's true for metrics. Their contribution to the sport shouldn't be poo-pooed. Biased people love to summarily dismiss them to maintain their narrative. They clearly have their uses by now. Accept that, or get left behind with the dodos.
     
  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
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  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I missed this news. Really intriguing prospect. US U17 captain at the last U17 CONCACAF Championships.
     
  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #334 Clint Eastwood, Mar 23, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2023
    US U20s played France U20s in a friendly yesterday. This game was a bit of a wake up call. Even with some of our fringe USMNTers like Slonina, Paredes, Gomez, Aaronson...............France won 4-0. A good wake-up call and learning experience as we approach the World Cup. Luna of RSL missed a PK, and in general also had a tough day. The CBs didn't cover themselves in glory. But hell, its France. The best of the best. Obed Vargas of Seattle came on as a 2nd half sub. Good to get him back into the fold. Other subs included Michael Halliday or Orlando and Darren Yapi of Colorado.
     
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  10. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Good win for the U19s. Oregel plays for the Fire. Osundina for Orange County.
    Neri is at Athletico Madrid. Has a good record of scoring for USYNTs.
     
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  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    24 others with less than 70 minutes (Sullivan and McGlynn double counted due to CCL)
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  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tune in for Noah Cobb for Atlanta United tonight. I’m excited to see what he can do at this level. He’s been a missed prospect at the u20 level and I’ve been pushing that he needs more consideration.
     
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  15. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Also interested to see what Wiley does without Almada.
     
  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  17. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    And DC bringing out Teddy KDP, Jacob Greene, Hopkins and the older Chris Durkin.
     
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  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #343 xbhaskarx, Mar 25, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2023
    DCU vs Revs is must watch for breakout youth players...

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  19. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    What is the wake-up call? The U20s had also beaten France in a recent WC. You win some, you lose some. And this was just a friendly.
     
  20. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wiley has still looked okay, but Atlanta United, as a whole, look fragmented without him.
     
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  21. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aiden Morris is having a good game for Columbus.

    Noah Cobb has definitely held his own so far. Definitely a ball playing center back.

    Miguel Berry is USL level.

    Schulte looks like a good shot stopper but he needs to be more careful in his passing.

    Gutman is having a nightmare game.
     
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  22. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair to Noah Cobb, I only blame him for one of the 5 goals scored against tonight, whereas, the blame for Atlanta falls on the midfield and attack which just decided not to show up tonight and allowed Columbus to attack with more freedom than Grenada gave us last night.

    Hard night for a seventeen year old when your entire team just decided to just a giant dump on this game.
     
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  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #348 xbhaskarx, Mar 25, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2023
    17 year old Noel Buck with the 88th minute game winning goal for the Revs



    Aidan Morris also has a goal today



    Brian Gutierrez assist on the game winning goal for Chicago



     
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  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #349 xbhaskarx, Mar 25, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2023
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  25. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Too bad the 3rd baseman made that diving stop.
     
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