Ukraine v Russia II

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  1. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
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    Is it happening!?!?

     
  2. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    Dzhankoy is a city in north central Crimea, the crossroad of transportation in the peninsula. What we know from video is that last night there were several bangs probably caused by suicide drones because we can hear high-pitched small propeller whine and lots of small arms fire presumably from Russian soldiers trying to shoot it/them down.

    What the Ukrainian government is claiming is that a trainload of Kaliber cruise missiles was attacked and destroyed.
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    I feel like much of this is nostalgia for the good old days when politicians used to work together towards crafting quality legislation. This really used to be a thing with the select committee process etc. So not so much that solutions were found always in the middle but that legislators did their jobs properly. Especially every policy was not turned into a partisan fight - environment was bi-partisan as recently as the 90s!

    My beef is that so much of the right have no actual formed policy - there are thoughtful debates about this war but you won't hear about it from McCarthy or Ron
     
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  4. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

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    Agreed.

    Yet what good does it do to wax poetically about those bygone days?
     
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  5. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    … and talking of drones.
    How about these from Australia?
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    Paper Planes? Ukraine Gets Flat-Packed Cardboard Drones From Australia

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidh...-flat-packed-cardboard-drones-from-australia/
     
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  6. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

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    I see Taylor Twellman has an interesting side hustle.
     
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  7. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    His head isn't big enough.
     
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  8. bigredfutbol

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    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
     
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  9. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Similar to Bakhmut, Russia is suffering huge casualties as they crawl inch by inch in an attempt to cut off Avdiivka. For those that aren't familiar with Avdiivka, it is a HEAVILY fortified town just outside of the city of Donetsk that Ukraine and Russia have been fighting for since 2014. Until very, very recently, Russia has not been able to make any advances, but, as with Bakhmut, they have hit upon a human wave approach to make marginal advances around Avdiivka. Also, much like Bakhmut, the Ukrainians seem unable to prevent them from making small advances every day, but they are piling up dead Russians like cord wood.

    WARNING: Below is a video showing a trench full of dozens of dead and dying Russians near Avdiivka, so if you don't want to see that, don't show spolier

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  10. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    From one analyst, the new Russian tactic is to make heavy use of RPG with thermobaric warheads. A good bunker system can withstand a lot of high explosives without a lot of casualties (which is certainly the case of Avdiivka - that place is flattened), but a close hit from a thermobaric warheads is going to affect you even if you behind a lot of protection.

    The problem is that you have to get close to use them, and if the Russians are spotted advancing they can be hit with indirect fire before that happens.
     
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  11. Yoshou

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    Doesn't Russia have a bunch of thermobaric missiles? Couldn't they just use those instead of sending a bunch of men to their deaths?
     
  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    They have the TOS-1 rocket launcher, but they don't have many so they are a fairly rare sight on the battlefield. Oryx only shows 6 damaged, destroyed, or captured, and only one of those was recent.
     
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  13. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    Oil shipping is going a bit screwy because of the Russia sanctions. Russia are scraping together a ghost fleet (with lots of Greek shipping magnate help) to send black market oil around the world. Well over half the recent sales of middle-sized carriers has been to "undisclosed parties". Then there is the legal trade, which is now going by ship to Asia instead of pipeline to Europe, and these also use middle-sized ships. This means there is a shortfall of these ships available in the world. It costs about $2.80 per barrel of oil for a supertanker (VLCC size) to go from the US to Europe. But very few ports in Europe can fit that size ship. It costs $8.50 each barrel sent the same path using a middle-sized AFRAMAX ship.

    One big problem is that Europe's governments aren't equipped to deal with smuggling. There are no government systems for tracking this - they depend on private companies why have limited information gathering abilities. And even when they find ships smuggling, they have no framework to do anything about it. For instance, all Spain did when they recently caught ships transferring oil off their coast was send a sternly worded letter. (This is also how Russia continues to steal grain in occupied parts of Ukraine, shipping it to Syria and North Africa right under Europe's noses.)

    But before you think Russia is winning a lot in this, one of the reasons they need a lot of ghost ships is that the people willing to do under-the-table deals aren't really that trustworthy and it might take a long time to hammer out deals. There's been a ship full of crude oil sitting off shore of Ghana for three weeks while they try to scrape together enough gold(!) to pay for it.
     
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  14. Ceres

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    I can tell you, that Denmark have found an object near Bornholm on top of the Russian gas pipeline, that may be a bomb device that for some reason did not explode, and for now this is being guarded and investigated by Danish Royal Navy ships, the frigate HDMS Niels Juel (F363), the Diana-class patrol vessel Rota (P525) and the Flyvefisken-class patrol diving vessel Søløven (Sea lion) (P563/Y311)
     
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  15. I thought they had a non dollar system in the South-whatever to handle it?
    Was that fake news:cautious:
     
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  16. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    I always rep people that include class names and pennant numbers with ship names.
     
  17. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    There's been a change to the Abrams that the US will be giving to Ukraine. Previously, the US was buying new M1A2s from the manufacturer and then sending them to Ukraine. That has change now and the US will be sending them refurbished M1A1s. These are, of course, older variants of the Abrams and the US will be stripping them of any advanced technology they may have on them, but they are still better than what Ukraine is facing. It also doesn't seem to have an impact on the delivery schedule as the M1A1s aren't expected to show up in Ukraine until 2024.

    Also, the US finished a test with Ukrainian pilots and discovered that they could be trained to fly F16s competently in less than 6 months. There hasn't been any change to the US's opinion on providing Ukraine F16s, but they now know it is possible to quickly train the pilots.
     
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  18. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

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    Well, there is a lot of fake news, US-centric fairy tales (Hersh) and nonsense going on regarding the pipeline explosions, so being from Denmark myself, I have to be as factually precise as possible.
     
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  19. Well, he omitted pictures of the Danish navy, so I took it up to fill the gap:
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    I only don't get why it's a mirror image.
     
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  20. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

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  21. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    If you are trying to turn me on, you posted the wrong photo.

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    Oh, baby.
     
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  22. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    You still need hard money to make that work, and Ghana doesn't have any.
     
  23. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

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    #8649 Ceres, Mar 21, 2023
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    Well, Denmark has always been a seafaring nation, and having to constantly patrol the Baltic Sea and also the waters around the North Pole and Greenland ( to defend it against the likes of China, Russia and Trump), then Denmark obviously have a rather large Royal Navy that very much cooperate with the UK Royal Navy that is officially "copying" the Danish made frigates.
     
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  24. argentine soccer fan

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    So, Putin says in front of Xi that he agrees with China's peace plan?

    Here is point one from China's plan:

    1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected. 

    Zelensky should reply that he agrees with point one too, and as soon as Putin complies with point one, and the last Russian soldier leaves Ukraine's territory, then they can start working on point two.
     
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