The On-going Never-ending Brexit Story Part Four

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  1. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    You will Kerry the shame of this lame joke for days longer.
     
  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    o ******** more pun fuel
     
  3. chaski

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    The map looks ok to me. It’s a long way to Tipperary.
     
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  4. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Something you don't realise until you watch enough PMQs is how many MPs have a fear of public speaking. A Tory and a Labour MP today couldn't stop shaking as they stood, staring at the ceiling, as they shouted their questions.

    It's kinda refreshing next to the Parks n Rec congressbots that typify American politics.
     
  5. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    The catlicks aren't christian? Who knew!
     
  6. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    Yeah, it's a tricky one that, isn't it. I wonder what the answer is? :)
     
  7. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Chelsea FC
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    I don't think it's a surprise the BBC didn't come under pressure. TBH I'd be surprised if they hadn't. The surprise comes with how quickly they succumbed.
     
  8. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    No decent, right-thinking person uses mayo for anything other than sex games, (or so I've been told).
     
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  9. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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  10. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    The thing is, thinking about this completely dispassionately, for the 30-40 years after the war. products were produced in the west by our own labour and the number of people that moved country was severely limited. Rich western countries traded goods to an extent between themselves but there was protectionism and it was hard for both people AND goods to be imported without high import tariffs or immigration controls.

    But, also, during that period taxes were high and the wealth of western nations were spread more evenly across society.

    Then we had the revolution of neoliberalism, globalism, free-markets, (whatever other name you want to use), and since then we've had rising levels of inequality in the west.

    So, thinking about it from the point of view of someone who hasn't been paying attention to economic, trade and finance issues, the increase in globalism and immigration HAS coincided with rising inequality. That's just a fact.

    But what is ALSO a fact is that reducing taxes, (particularly for the well off and the upper middle class), the destruction of trade unions and the side-lining of socialist economics has coincided with that change. It's also worth pointing out that at least ONE of those matters, (trade unions losing some of their power), clearly WAS related to globalisation and immigration because it allowed production to be driven to lower wage areas or people. I mean, that was the whole POINT of it... to cut costs and make things 'more efficient'.

    Also, even people that weren't paying attention will have realised that it wasn't just the tories, GOP or whatever, that was driving neoliberalism... it was Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and others who were elected by the working class to protect their interests.

    I know I've posted this before but it's worth listening to again...



    As he says at the end, it's not really about right or left-wing wing, particularly. Those are largely a function of the media eco-system and who drives the narrative.

    Put simply, the right have a more effective messaging system than the left. So in the UK, for instance, we've had the right-wing tabloids, owned by rich people and friends to tory MP's and lords, droning on about 'asylum seekers' and 'immigration', (rather than tax cuts, lack of investment in the UK and 'off-shoring' of employment), since we can all probably guess which message will be easier to sell, at least initially.

    Hopefully, even the DIMMEST bulb will have started to get the message after the last few years, particularly after today's 'budget' and the Liz truss debacle...

    Budget pension shake-up is £4bn tax giveaway for wealthy, critics say

    Anyway, we'll see what happens but I'm hopeful, if the change in attitudes to immigration are accurate, that the penny will FINALLY have dropped and the tories will get kicked out and a future labour government will starts to address some of the deep-rooted problems we've got instead of taking the soft option as they did before.
     
  11. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    One of two things:

    a) He's expecting to get suspended and then defeated in a by-election, thereby giving him the opportunity to stand in a safe seat without accusations he's jumped ship.
    b) A new Portillo moment at the next election.

     
  12. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    goodluck.gif
     
  13. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
  14. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Please make it 'B'. Please make it 'B' :)
     
  15. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    What if I throw option C into the mix?

    He's suspended and recalled, then loses the by-election.
    Stands in a supposedly safe seat, and then loses again.

    Double the fun.
     
  16. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Don't make me post that 'Archer' scene again... I've got it ready to go and I'm not afraid to use it :mad:
     
  17. roby

    roby Member+

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    What in the hell is this? :unsure:

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  18. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    She's long given up even trying to pretend she doesn't enjoy the cruelty.

     
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  19. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Just one week after Farage accused Gary Lineker of spreading hate, Darren Grimes manages to take the lead in the Lack Of Self Awareness Trophy 2023

     
  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Professor Nigel J. Farnsworth, late for another lecture due to alcoholism
     
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  21. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Chelsea FC
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    I think even the people that like the policy will find that slightly off-putting. They might feel like that inside but I doubt there's many that will want to express it in that manner in public.

    I'm guessing that was a still from a film of the visit where something's happened that made her laugh but the whole vibe of it seems disastrous, politically.
     
  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    #2072 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Mar 20, 2023
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    The toxic Fox stew of massive lies, fear, threats and misogyny rears it's ugly head once again



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    Fox News sought a restraining order against one of its own senior producers on Monday to prevent her from publicly disclosing information linked to the $1.6 billion defamation claim it is fighting over falsehoods it broadcast after the 2020 presidential election.

    Abby Grossberg, the senior producer in charge of booking guests for star Tucker Carlson, told Fox last month she intended to sue the network for discrimination and retaliation, according to Fox's lawsuit.

    Fox alleges it was compelled to sue her to prevent the disclosure of its legal stratagems.

    https://www.npr.org/2023/03/20/1164879578/fox-news-sues-producer-dominion-lawsuit

    The Fox producers should be dragged as much as the hosts
     
  23. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Johnson tying himself in knots trying to cover up his lies.
    At the time called the parties as parties, but now claiming them not to be parties and he only called them parties as everyone else did.

     
  24. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Gotta give his lawyers mad props for tanking their careers like this
     
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  25. Potowmack

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    Washington, DC
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    It’s weird to me that people in the UK could get in legal trouble for having a party.

    But, it’s perfectly not surprising to me that someone like Boris Johnson would break such a rule.
     

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