Dual nationals who could suit up for the US.

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by juvechelsea, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    And Sterling is injured. Toney as #3 scorer in EPL may not get any minutes. Foden as good as him, may not get any minutes. Right now, probably only Haaland (if he choose) can break in.
     
  2. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    The reporting from several months ago was the same as what herc was saying. I can't link where I saw it from because I can't remember where I came across it (probably some twitter linked story), but the gist was the exact same: that they handed him the paperwork essentially when he was getting on a bus for a game or something of that sort and acted like it was a formality and got super pissed when he decided he wanted to go over it, and not sign immediately.

    They've basically mixed heavy handedness w/like a pile of predatory cap tyings where they got guys signature and then essentially ignored them. It's like what, 4 or 5 of them now? Only Araujo seems likely to break through. Ochoa looks particularly stupid in retrospect. Part of his frustration was not getting a start in our June NL window in '21, and since Mexico nabbed his one time switch he's basically been ignored for 18 months. W/us he was in the top 3 or 4 for a major window 17 months away from the World Cup, w/them he hasn't been able to buy a look.

    If we can get regular playing time for more dual nats, the difference between our guys and theirs are treating will only become more stark.
     
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  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Heidenheim get promoted shouldn’t we take a look at Lennard Maloney?



    We could also use depth at the 6

     
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  4. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mikey Varas interview:

    http://www.americansoccernow.com/ar...r-pool-and-challenges-of-the-world-cup-roster

    On Cremaschi and Koleosho...

    ASN: There are two players eligible for your team who have had serious interest from other national teams. Inter Miami's Benjamin Cremaschi was with your team last year and then played for Argentina's U-20 team in December. Then Espanyol winger Luca Koleosho has spent time with various U.S. youth teams but is now in camp with Italy's U-18 team. Can you tell us what the latest is, on your end, with these players.

    Varas: They're both two very talented players. We'll start with Benja. He is a 2005. I've let him know that in the next cycle, he's a very, very important player for our u-20's. For this cycle, he still has an opportunity to play his way in. That'll depend on these next few months. A lot can change with players in terms of playing time at a first team level and how they adapt to that. We can't forget that we invited Benja into a U-20 camp already. We invited him in before Argentina did, and that was a camp that we did side by side with the men's national team.

    I think Benja is pretty clear on how we value him and how we see him for our future. I know our U-19 coach Marco has done an incredible job of communicating with the family and also letting them know. So, Benja is someone for the future. He still has a chance now, but we have to take that step by step at the moment.

    Then with Luca, it's a different story. Luca has decided to play with Italy. I feel really good about the process that we went through to make sure that Luca understood how we value him and how badly we wanted him in our program. Everyone from talent ID to federation leadership to senior men's national team was involved in multiple calls with him and his family. And we laid out our process and our plan for him. And unfortunately, he decided to play with Italy in the current moment. And that's a choice that we have to respect because it's a choice he made.

    At the end of the day, we want players in this process who are all in and want to play for the United States. It's an incredible honor to play for your country. And it's something that I personally reflect on every day. And every time you put on this crest, it could be my last moment. And when it is my last moment, I'm going to have no regrets because it's such an honor and responsibility. And so right now it's about turning the page on that and just focusing on all the guys who are ready to give their blood, sweat and tears to make our country proud.​
     
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  5. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Ochoa has not delivered at the club level, it's pretty disappointing he had the chips to breakout and become a force to be reckon with on either NT but he just isn't delivering. Off the field he has some maturing to do as well.
     
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  6. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    He at best 6 in their depth.
     
  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He definitely seemed like a very big loss at the time, but he’s since had some setbacks. Feels like he would have been better off staying at DC United where he’d probably be the starter.

    He’s still fairly young and goalie is a later developing position so who knows what might happen in the future.
     
  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I don't know with Ochoa.
    He was a product of Berhalter trying to find SOME young keeper to call up and develop.
    But his performance level never warranted it. He wasn't performing in MLS at the level of Slonina, for instance.

    The biggest dual-nat loss to Mexico was probably Araujo, but we have Dest, Scally, etc. Seems like a player that can get caps for both the US and Mexico, but perhaps not at major events. Zendejas probably the same.
     
  9. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    The good thing for him is that goalies have a long time horizon in terms of utility as professionals, even if it takes him a while, he's still only 22, he could play for another 15 years if he can put it all together,and have national team relevance from '26-'34, it all depends. I do like that the new coach seems to want to clean things up a bit. Tata seemed overall all of it by '21-'22.
     
  10. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    The problem is his discipline not his capacity to start. If he had better discipline and commitment he'd be starting for San Luis and getting called up already but he has a lot of maturing to do.
     
  11. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maturity is definitely an issue, but he's 22 and plays a position where guys seem to develop later. Things aren't going well for him at current, but I wouldn't write him off either.

    Though the most concerning thing he's probably said was when he said that he preferred to make the flashy saves as opposed to learning the actual fundamentals of goaltending. I'm paraphrasing his exact quote but that was definitely gist.
     
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  12. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    That's the issue with Mexicans that go abroad. They either have the wrong mindset, too old (24-26) yes they can improve but an 18-year-old can improve better, some of them have a big ego for no reason aka Diego Lainez. Yes, I know he is young but clubs know him now.

    This is where MLS does right which is rare. Players like jack Mize and many more go abroad at a young age.
     
  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t know why Diego Lainez didn’t stick in Europe but I don’t think that’s something you can generalize about all Mexicans who go to Europe.

    The main issue in the Mexico development pipeline is not enough opportunities for young players in Liga MX and Mexican teams being reluctant to sell guys abroad or the Liga MX market overvaluing them relative worth on the transfer market.
     
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  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Squeeky bum time. Cuz Balogun must be "next man up." I'm in a constant state of waiting for the axe to fall on Balogun. It's always seemed like an upset to get him. Still................the vigil will remain until we're out of the running.
     
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  15. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    May lose Sanogo. He seemed to lose his place with USYNTs after making the first U20 camps of the cycle.
     
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  16. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    Diego had to find minutes on whatever team but this does not look too good on him and Liga MX.
    Do you think this could change?
     
  17. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    As of rn there's no changes but his more of a winger not a CW. For Engalnd.
     
  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Diego Lainez did poorly in Europe, but plenty of Mexican players do well when they go over there. Look at someone like Santi Gimenez or Edson Alvarez. It's not really that useful to generalize off the experience of one player.

    Similarly not every MLS player that goes over to Europe does well there. Look at James Sands or Cole Bassett recently.
     
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  19. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    There's more than just him. I don't know if this is the place to talk about this.
     
  20. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    Does anyone really know if Folarin Balogun is really injured? England did say that he is.
     
  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless we hear something differently I'd assume so.

     
  22. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The rumors about him "joining" the team in Orlando is pretty hilarious.
     
  23. an1310

    an1310 Member+

    Jun 2, 2003
    Atlanta, GA
    What rumors?

    But I'm old enough to remember Neven Subotic declining a Bob Bradley callup circa 2008 due to injury. And next thing we know he's suiting up for Serbia. So maybe there's a little fire to this smoke. Or -- maybe this cigar is just a cigar.
     
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  24. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    View the comments below this, it's silly rumors which I hope turn out to be reality.

    He was perfectly fine during the Reims match where he scored the lone goal in the 2-1 loss.
     
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  25. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Injury" is notorious for "I'm switching but I'm not ready to announce it" or "I want to avoid a cap-tie."

    The thing is he can't switch without telling the FA, because he needs to get his youth playing record from them to submit.
     

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